Ontario Correctional Services

[BlueHeart83]

TEDC offers 40 per week but nothing is guaranteed and could change at anytime.

TEDC just received a batch of 11 recruits that are currently shadowing and are going to be receiving another batch of 18 next month. As a result, new recruits are going to be scheduled for 24 hrs (2 shifts per week). This is what the previous poster meant when they said things "could change at anytime."

Correctional Officer 2

When you say the new recruits will be getting a scheduled 24 hours a week is that all fixed term or is it just the new batch of recruits do you happen to know?

From what I've been told, it's all Fixed Term officers. From a management perspective it would be unfair to axe the hours of the new boots exclusively. So to make it fair all part timers will be scheduled the same. Now that doesn't necessarily mean part timers will get just 24 hours. You would do your 24 hours and then wait by your phone to be called in for the remainder hours to make up your 40 hours.

For example, you are scheduled Monday and Tuesday for 12 hour shifts. Then you may get a call from the jail letting you know there is a 4 hour shift available on Thursday. You take it, which now brings your total hours worked to 28. Then, you buy tickets to hit a Raptors game on Saturday. There's an after hours party on John Street after the game and Drake will be providing free chicken wings to all. But guess what? The jail calls you on Friday and tells you a 12 hour shift is available for Saturday. What a pickle!

Kinda ruins your plans, huh? Now you have to prioritize: work or personal life. In a nutshell, you will most likely be able to get 40 hours but not on your own terms. I hope I have been nothing less than cogent in this rant.

Correctional Officer 2

[Achevkup]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours”. The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it’s going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don’t want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that’s unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Are all new recruits being switched to part time? Including the ones that have already been hired and currently working as temp for a few months? Has this happened in the past? Why the change?

All recruits are hired as fixed term contract and no hours are guaranteed , it is in the contract you sign when you are hired. Up to now there had been 40 hrs given but things are changing depending where you are at I am sure.

[Luskie]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours”. The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it’s going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don’t want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that’s unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Are all new recruits being switched to part time? Including the ones that have already been hired and currently working as temp for a few months? Has this happened in the past? Why the change?

All recruits are hired as fixed term contract and no hours are guaranteed , it is in the contract you sign when you are hired. Up to now there had been 40 hrs given but things are changing depending where you are at I am sure.

They don't care about losing good employees, you're a number and a spot on the roster to them, absolutely nothing more. - they don't care about employee retention because there will always be someone to take your spot.

[Rookie45]

TEDC just received a batch of 11 recruits that are currently shadowing and are going to be receiving another batch of 18 next month. As a result, new recruits are going to be scheduled for 24 hrs (2 shifts per week). This is what the previous poster meant when they said things "could change at anytime."

Correctional Officer 2

When you say the new recruits will be getting a scheduled 24 hours a week is that all fixed term or is it just the new batch of recruits do you happen to know?

From what I've been told, it's all Fixed Term officers. From a management perspective it would be unfair to axe the hours of the new boots exclusively. So to make it fair all part timers will be scheduled the same. Now that doesn't necessarily mean part timers will get just 24 hours. You would do your 24 hours and then wait by your phone to be called in for the remainder hours to make up your 40 hours.

For example, you are scheduled Monday and Tuesday for 12 hour shifts. Then you may get a call from the jail letting you know there is a 4 hour shift available on Thursday. You take it, which now brings your total hours worked to 28. Then, you buy tickets to hit a Raptors game on Saturday. There's an after hours party on John Street after the game and Drake will be providing free chicken wings to all. But guess what? The jail calls you on Friday and tells you a 12 hour shift is available for Saturday. What a pickle!

Kinda ruins your plans, huh? Now you have to prioritize: work or personal life. In a nutshell, you will most likely be able to get 40 hours but not on your own terms. I hope I have been nothing less than cogent in this rant.

Correctional Officer 2

Yeah it isn’t great for sure. I heard they did some his before and it lasted about two weeks. Hopefully it won’t last because it’s true people cannot afford to not get their 40 hrs.
Seems wasteful for SOLGEN to hire all these people and train them just for them to leave because they’re can’t afford to stay.

[Cawenil]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours.” The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? We had an aluminum window manufacturer https://alumglass.eu/. No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it's going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don't want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that's unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

All recruits are hired as fixed term contract and no hours are guaranteed , it is in the contract you sign when you are hired. Up to now there had been 40 hrs given but things are changing depending where you are at I am sure.

They don't care about losing good employees, you're a number and a spot on the roster to them, absolutely nothing more. - they don't care about employee retention because there will always be someone to take your spot.

The phrase "things could change at any time" likely means that the schedule or any other aspect of the onboarding process is subject to adjustment or modification depending on the needs of the organization or unforeseen circumstances. Flexibility may be required to adapt to changing situations, such as the number of recruits, staffing needs, or other factors that could impact the training and integration of new hires.

[Fonthill]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours”. The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it’s going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don’t want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that’s unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Are all new recruits being switched to part time? Including the ones that have already been hired and currently working as temp for a few months? Has this happened in the past? Why the change?

All recruits are hired as fixed term contract and no hours are guaranteed , it is in the contract you sign when you are hired. Up to now there had been 40 hrs given but things are changing depending where you are at I am sure.

Welcome to the ZOO hahaha love it. Hahahah

[Fonthill]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours”. The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it’s going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don’t want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that’s unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

All recruits are hired as fixed term contract and no hours are guaranteed , it is in the contract you sign when you are hired. Up to now there had been 40 hrs given but things are changing depending where you are at I am sure.

They don't care about losing good employees, you're a number and a spot on the roster to them, absolutely nothing more. - they don't care about employee retention because there will always be someone to take your spot.

Well said

These puppetmaster when the started fully knew they signed a contract with ZERO hours guaranteed.

This is a UNION job, and goes by seniority. The fact your hours are going to be cut, is YOUR a problem ROOKIES.

[Fonthill]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours”. The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it’s going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don’t want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that’s unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Are all new recruits being switched to part time? Including the ones that have already been hired and currently working as temp for a few months? Has this happened in the past? Why the change?

All recruits are hired as fixed term contract and no hours are guaranteed , it is in the contract you sign when you are hired. Up to now there had been 40 hrs given but things are changing depending where you are at I am sure.

They could care less about employees leaving. For every employee leaving. 100 want in.

ZERO hours guaranteed.

[Rookie45]

I understand we “signed a contract” but we all get into the job with the representation that “don’t worry; there’s going to be plenty of overtime, you’ll always be scheduled for 40 hours”. The economy has gotten worse and they decide they want to all of a sudden bring people’s hours down? No one went into this thinking this is going to be their part time job. They went to it thinking it’s going to be full time, and starting off the position, it was full time training, and full time with the hours they were given. I understand if they don’t want to give overtime. But to cut hours to part time hours, that’s unfair. They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

They don't care about losing good employees, you're a number and a spot on the roster to them, absolutely nothing more. - they don't care about employee retention because there will always be someone to take your spot.

Well said

These puppetmaster when the started fully knew they signed a contract with ZERO hours guaranteed.

This is a UNION job, and goes by seniority. The fact your hours are going to be cut, is YOUR a problem ROOKIES.

Remember you were a rookie too once.
You always come on here and never have a nice thing to say about the job or anyone else. Why do you stay in the job and why always so negative

[Fonthill]

They don't care about losing good employees, you're a number and a spot on the roster to them, absolutely nothing more. - they don't care about employee retention because there will always be someone to take your spot.

Well said

These puppetmaster when the started fully knew they signed a contract with ZERO hours guaranteed.

This is a UNION job, and goes by seniority. The fact your hours are going to be cut, is YOUR a problem ROOKIES.

Remember you were a rookie too once.
You always come on here and never have a nice thing to say about the job or anyone else. Why do you stay in the job and why always so negative

Because I’m not WOKE which = persons like you who are trying to control somebody on what they see and observe Typically what scum bag management would do.

Sorry, I’m NOT WOKE and will speak my mind and will not be control by you or the government #Trudy

[Dreambig]

They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Provincial corrections is structured unlike any other service in law enforcement. In all other services (policing, cbsa, special constables) including federal corrections, employees are hired on a permanent full-time basis.

I don't know why it's not the same for provincial corrections and nobody that I've ever spoken to knows why either. At the end of the day, financial experts must have run the numbers and realized that it's cheaper to keep hiring new COs to replace those that leave rather than retain existing COs.

Having to work 3 to 5 years (or longer) before getting full-time status and a schedule that one can organize their life around is one of the reasons why I left corrections. I would have been content with being a CO but decided to look at other opportunities knowing I had 3 to 5 year window to find something comparable. And the sooner, the better.

While the job is straight-forward and one that I didn't mind, an employee is incentivized to look at other job opportunities from day one for all the reasons mentioned above. Retention isn't a priority. I don't know if it's ever been. COs that started their careers decades ago went thru the same process but stuck it out to obtain full-time status.

In other words, don't hope for anything to change. You can either accept the volatility of the job while you're a casual employee or find another one. Adding CO work experience to your resume will help.

[Fonthill]

They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Provincial corrections is structured unlike any other service in law enforcement. In all other services (policing, cbsa, special constables) including federal corrections, employees are hired on a permanent full-time basis.

I don't know why it's not the same for provincial corrections and nobody that I've ever spoken to knows why either. At the end of the day, financial experts must have run the numbers and realized that it's cheaper to keep hiring new COs to replace those that leave rather than retain existing COs.

Having to work 3 to 5 years (or longer) before getting full-time status and a schedule that one can organize their life around is one of the reasons why I left corrections. I would have been content with being a CO but decided to look at other opportunities knowing I had 3 to 5 year window to find something comparable. And the sooner, the better.

While the job is straight-forward and one that I didn't mind, an employee is incentivized to look at other job opportunities from day one for all the reasons mentioned above. Retention isn't a priority. I don't know if it's ever been. COs that started their careers decades ago went thru the same process but stuck it out to obtain full-time status.

In other words, don't hope for anything to change. You can either accept the volatility of the job while you're a casual employee or find another one. Adding CO work experience to your resume will help.

Well said !

[Rookie45]

They are going to lose good employees to other jobs that actually have full time hours available.

Provincial corrections is structured unlike any other service in law enforcement. In all other services (policing, cbsa, special constables) including federal corrections, employees are hired on a permanent full-time basis.

I don't know why it's not the same for provincial corrections and nobody that I've ever spoken to knows why either. At the end of the day, financial experts must have run the numbers and realized that it's cheaper to keep hiring new COs to replace those that leave rather than retain existing COs.

Having to work 3 to 5 years (or longer) before getting full-time status and a schedule that one can organize their life around is one of the reasons why I left corrections. I would have been content with being a CO but decided to look at other opportunities knowing I had 3 to 5 year window to find something comparable. And the sooner, the better.

While the job is straight-forward and one that I didn't mind, an employee is incentivized to look at other job opportunities from day one for all the reasons mentioned above. Retention isn't a priority. I don't know if it's ever been. COs that started their careers decades ago went thru the same process but stuck it out to obtain full-time status.

In other words, don't hope for anything to change. You can either accept the volatility of the job while you're a casual employee or find another one. Adding CO work experience to your resume will help.

That’s a great explanation of why new CO’s can expect and if they don’t want to stay then you have also very well explained that there are other options that hire full time from the start.

Much better then just telling new CO’s too bad rookies. Clearly you found a career that suited you better and you liked and took it instead of staying and being miserable and being negative when there are options. Appreciate that
Well said !

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[treebeard]

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