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CATSA needs more training? NO WAY!

Postby Punisher-One » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:08 pm

FROM CTVNEWS.CA
Airport Pipe Bomb Incident Shows Better Training Is Needed

Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:32PM EDT
Last Updated Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:07PM EDT

OTTAWA -- Screeners at the Edmonton airport failed to identify, intercept and handle a pipe bomb in "the manner expected" by Canada's air security authority, says an internal review.
Several personnel had feelings -- with varying degrees of conviction -- that the item discovered in a teenager's carry-on baggage might be a pipe bomb or some other kind of improvised explosive device, the newly disclosed review found.
However, because a Canadian Air Transport Security Authority manager believed the item was simply drug paraphernalia, no one acted fully on the suspicions, and the police were not called until several days later.
"Despite the best efforts of a competent, dedicated, and diverse group of screening personnel, CATSA failed to identify a pipe bomb/IED," the report says.
"This incident has provided an excellent opportunity for CATSA to self-examine, learn and grow."
The air security authority's report on the September 2013 episode, completed last November, was obtained Thursday by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act.
The review recommended improvements to training, search techniques, decision-making and clarity of employee roles.
Skylar Murphy, who had built the pipe bomb with a friend for their own amusement, inadvertently left the device in a camera bag and forgot about it.
Murphy, of Spruce Grove, Alta., was 19 when he pleaded guilty last December to possession of an explosive device. He was sentenced to one year probation, fined $100 and ordered to make an in-person donation of $500 to the University of Alberta Hospital's burn unit.
In the early morning of Sept. 20, an X-ray operator at the airport noted an unusual, barbell-shaped metallic object and requested a physical search, the report says.
A screening officer found the approximately six-inch metal pipe -- which had end caps and was wrapped in wire -- in a cloth bag marked with a smoke shop insignia.
The screening officer was "unsure whether or not the item was permitted" and consulted a checkpoint manager who, based on a "very quick visual check," decided it could be taken through security, the review says.
The officer then tried to return the item to the passenger, who had become nervous during the screening process, indicated the item was not his, and ultimately forfeited it to the officer.
Several hours later the item was examined by other screening officers who felt it could be a bomb and revisited the issue with the checkpoint manager. The manager unscrewed one end and dumped out some of the flaky contents into a garbage can, but "remained convinced" the item was drug-related.
The item sat in an office over the weekend until, after further reflection, the air authority contacted the RCMP.
"Although screening officers in Edmonton ultimately prevented a viable pipe bomb from being introduced onto an aircraft, the item was not identified, intercepted, or handled in the manner expected by CATSA," the report says.
The screening officer who searched the bag told the reviewers that "alarm bells" were going off inside his head when he first found the item, and that he got "bad vibes" from the situation.
"However, he did not follow his gut instinct, and rather deferred to the (checkpoint manager)."
More than one employee was suspended and received mandatory retraining, air security authority spokesman Mathieu Larocque said Thursday. He declined to provide further details.
After the incident, the air authority distributed relevant bulletins to screeners, and modified training materials with a "stronger emphasis on detecting potential explosive devices" and the proper protocol to follow in the event one is found.
The agency also moved to ensure screening officers have time to analyze travellers' items and make the proper call, Larocque added.
"The idea is to give the screening officer all the confidence that they need to make these decisions."


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Bolded some of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life.
Jesus Christ these people are seriously tasked with the "security" of air travel. The pipe was "wrapped in wire"....what more do you need to tell you it's an effing bomb.....a label? Even worse the idiot manager decided it was permitted. To make matters even worse, which is hard already, the idiot then OPENS UP the bomb! He is lucky to have hands a be alive!
These mouth breathers demand I take off my duty belt (as a uniformed Officer) yet they think pipe bombs are permitted through onto an aircraft! Even worse these super stars are the reason our management (CBSA) think we don't need to carry our duty firearms in air mode because travelers are "secure" and "screened". My mind can not comprehend the stupidity here.
This kid didn't even want to do any harm to an aircraft....imagine what a motivate person could get past these guys. It is truly scary to think about.

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Postby SierraSeven » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:13 pm

Smoke. Mirrors. Let the show begin.
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Postby meathead1 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:19 pm

Punisher-One wrote:These mouth breathers demand I take off my duty belt (as a uniformed Officer)


you tell these guys to fuck off, right?

Punisher-One wrote:Even worse these super stars are the reason our management (CBSA) think we don't need to carry our duty firearms in air mode because travelers are "secure" and "screened". My mind can not comprehend the stupidity here.


And you tell these goofs to fuck off too, right???
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Postby Ziggy Stardust » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:57 pm

To say that "Better" training is required implies that "Some" training was in fact provided. This begs the question; Who designed, provided and oversaw this training? Who set the standards and who determined that these individuals "were trained/qualified"? As much as I blame these numbskulls (in particular the manager) for their complete lack of the most basic common sense, the report raises even more serious questions about those further up the food chain. These guys get a suspension and retraining but what about those who are responsible for these poorly trained individuals who are devoid of any judgement being there in the first place. It seems to me that the x-ray operator did exactly what he should have done; contact his manager. In this instance the blame lies squarely with the manager. Next time the people on that aircraft may not be so lucky. I hope the retraining is completed before I fly in January.

If this is the level of airport screening at Departures at Pearson, what's happening in Arrivals?!
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Postby IndictableChaser » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:23 pm

English as a second language training takes at least a few months if you've only been in the country for a week...let alone anything that would resemble adequate training to keep passengers safe
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Re: CATSA needs more training? NO WAY!

Postby 48highlander » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:28 pm

Punisher-One wrote:[i]
"Although screening officers in Edmonton ultimately prevented a viable pipe bomb from being introduced onto an aircraft,


You missed this gem too. They didn't prevent anything. They were going to let it go on the plane. It was the teen, who was like, I probably shouldn't, you keep it.

Ironically the screeners here in Afghanistan do a better job.

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Postby Stinger » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:19 pm

I feel safer as I am flying out of Edmonton on thursday..... yay.

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Postby gotchya » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:57 pm

At the end of the day our method of screening is flawed. We need to do it more like Israel where it is about the person. You go through the screening process normally (as it is now), but then there are other people in plain clothes watching to see how you act and carry yourself. Any concerns and you get additional screening and ultimately don't fly.

The restriction of what you can/cannot bring on are rather ineffective as there are means to do damage to an aircraft even being within the "rules". Most of the materials and methods of course open source. That being said,we're not preparing to prevent the next attack, we're attempting to prevent the last attack. In short, our OODA loop is too slow.

Not to mention this method is resource intensive and ineffective.
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Postby Longarm9 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:45 pm

I once had a catsa guy tell me to take my belt off when I was escorting someone to a flight. My response was "Hahaha no." He sort of shifted around uncomfortably and said "uh..okay" and I went on about my business.
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Postby Mr. Islander » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:35 pm

Longarm9 wrote:I once had a catsa guy tell me to take my belt off when I was escorting someone to a flight. My response was "Hahaha no." He sort of shifted around uncomfortably and said "uh..okay" and I went on about my business.


Do these guys seriously think a uniformed LEO will just hand over their duty belt....?

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Postby Tango5 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:42 pm

I am surprised they even ask.
Aren't they told better or is there an actuall regulation of NO firearms pass the gate even on a duty belt carried by a Police Officer or any other law Enforcement Authority?
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Postby Longarm9 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:42 am

Tango5 wrote:I am surprised they even ask.
Aren't they told better or is there an actuall regulation of NO firearms pass the gate even on a duty belt carried by a Police Officer or any other law Enforcement Authority?


They are supposed to be told not to ask, and peace officers do NOT give up their weapons when entering the secure area, but it shows you the caliber of training and hiring going on at CATSA.
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Postby Mutt » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:28 am

A friend of mine works for the Centre for Forensic Science. He was coming back from a conference with a sample of some type of new jacketed rifle slug. Just the copper and lead projectile. No powder, no primer, no brass.

When he went to board, they held him up for half an hour saying they're going to confiscate the obvious explosive device and called Police. Officers showed up and tore the shift manager a new one for wasting their time.

ETA: I think he said the officer told the shift manager, "What's he going to do? Throw them at people?"
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Postby Punisher-One » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:23 am

Tango5 wrote:I am surprised they even ask.
Aren't they told better or is there an actuall regulation of NO firearms pass the gate even on a duty belt carried by a Police Officer or any other law Enforcement Authority?


They wouldn't challenge the Police but CBSA they do. They get away with challenging us at every turn because our management has ordered us to capitulate to all demands made by airport security. They stop us and search our trunks at the vehicle checks going in airside, they stop us when escorting removals (in cuffs) and demand to see our passes and check our duty belts, I've had them demand for me to take my boots off and go through the body scanner. Of course my response is always "no" but if their management were to contact our management I would be disciplined for not following CATSA protocols.


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