Ontario Correctional Services

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Meyer88 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:12 pm

Does OCDT (Ottawa) need officers?

Badly want to move back to that area and i am pretty curious as to if there is a need for officers ? I know the ministry has this rule wrt not being allowed to transfer within your first year but no harm in wishful thinking I guess.

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Lospollos » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:27 pm

Meyer88 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:12 pm
Does OCDT (Ottawa) need officers?

Badly want to move back to that area and i am pretty curious as to if there is a need for officers ? I know the ministry has this rule wrt not being allowed to transfer within your first year but no harm in wishful thinking I guess.
Yes we need officers. Hours are good lots of OT for casuals. The jail itself is meh but it is what it is. We lose guys rapidly every year so if you want to come to Ottawa now is ur chance.
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby ygu31 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:11 pm

TheSlav wrote:
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Well, I was at the very last step of federal corrections and failed the psych interview. Provincial corrections was supposed to be my waiting period until I could apply again.

I have 3 friends who work at EMDC and I have heard of a lot of issues as you say in provincial corrections. I haven’t heard that it’s in “crisis”, can you elaborate a bit on that?

Hi, TheSlav,
I see you applied both Federal and ON Provincial correction, as I have experience working in both, so I would like to share some of my insight views, especially for your concern about “issues” in ON Correction.
In short, correction is a very great career. I have been working with 4 different correction jurisdictions in the past 18 years, which include 1 foreign jail and 3 different Canadian correctional jurisdictions, my overall experience and comments about correction is mainly POSITIVE.
Since you mentioned your concern about ON correction, I will focus on ON correction.
True, I strongly agree Fonthill’s opinion: Ontario Provincial CO job is a stressful job, but it is still a very rewarding career for the following reasons:
1. You will work with really great staff member. Majority of the COs support each other (at least, all COs at my workplace fully supported each others, I do not want generalize all other ON provincial jails with this part). At work, you may not get along with all peers, but when assistance is needed, they will be there and back you up, even include the one who doesn’t get along with you. I have tons of touching stories about how my fellow officers supported me, backed me up at my very traumatic moments at both work and family life.
2. Good paycheques if you don’t mind OT: one of my colleagues made 100K+ in his first year with starting wage, that was even before the 14.5% pay increase (the new union collective agreement). He bought a brand new truck and boat in his first year at ON correction.
2. You may overheard other people say ,”COs quit their jobs because of other staff, not inmates” or “Correction is full of rumor mill and gossip”, but I personally think that is NOT 100% true. Correction is mainly a routine type work, staff member has lots of down time, it is inevitable that gossips spread around during the downtime chitchat. But like I mentioned: your peers will be there when you need them. No matter what personal issue you had with them in the past. “Trust your colleagues the way they trust you, support them the way they support you.”
3. You will develop very good law enforcement experience and it will eventually benefit you if you are looking for other peace officer positions in future. I saw lots of Ontario COs successfully moved to better paid jobs (CSC, CBSA, Policing, etc), which includes myself. I do appreciate the CO experience I gained from Ontario.
4. You may overheard COs (especially in ON) complained about the management. I would say do not fall into that: we have our ground and position as COs, while the management also have their positions, the institution management faces way more stress than the frontline officer does (although it is different kind of stress). Management team are the middle-man between the front line officer and the ministry, the institution management received stress and blame from both COs/union and the ministry. Sometimes, management even have to take blames for frontline officers’ fault from the ministry. If there is a conflict between you and the management, don’t take it personal as it is their position vs your position. Respect your deputy and/or superintendent, they are under-appreciated and misunderstood quite often.
5. Once you stepped into ON correction, you are eligible to apply many internal job postings in Ontario Government. Believe or not, there are more internal job postings compare to which only opens to general public. Even if you realize that CO is not the job for you, you will have way more other selections in ON government. (I did see many COs get hired by other internal postings such as provincial POs and other office positions)

Don’t get me wrong, as NOT ALL jails are stressful workplaces, it varies dramatically ( I would not mention the name of each individual jail to avoid encouraging or discouraging applicants to apply specific institutions):
1. My first Canadian correction job is at MB in a large institution, the workload is very little, super relaxed environment, majority of inmates are very respectful toward staff member. In average, I saw less than 1 assaulting staff member incident per year (which is a lot safer compare to most of the other private sector jobs, such as truck drivers, gas station cashier, or handyman). Certain staff members even personally believe that they were over-paid compare to what they did at work. I even think my biggest challenge at work is to stay awake (as most part of the shift, you really had nothing to do other than sitting and count your fingers). A quick stats to backup my statement: Along with MB provincial correction’s history, ONLY ONE officer was killed on duty because of an inmate assault which was in 1937 (83 years ago). Safe place to work with less stress compare to ON provincial.
2. My next Canadian Correctional officer jobs is in ON provincial correction. It is pretty stressful: staff were assaulted quite often (I don’t want to mention HOW often). But I still consider it is a very good workplace as all team member support each others. I enjoy working there with those great people.
3. My current correctional job is at federal level, I don’t want to make many comment as I am still new. But I think this is the BEST Canadian correctional facility to work with. ALL COs in this institution are happy for their job and I heard nothing but good comment from them about work (quite unusual due to the nature of correction job). I had a feeling that I won lottery for working in this institution. :-)
4. Again, correction work environment various. Even between two institutions next to each other in the same complex field will have huge difference. One could be 10X more stressful compare to the other, it is a pick and choose game or you can google and research.

My final comment about ON provincial correction jobs: Yes, you will work in a stressful environment, expose yourself to potential PTSD, and you are apparently underpaid compare to what you will eventually go through at work when you compare to other Canadian correctional jurisdictions. But you are working with great staff member, gaining valuable experience, making good paycheque and being eligible for internal job posting. So, IT IS A REWARDING CAREERS AND WORTHY A TRY.

My PERSONAL opinion only. Be advised: “how good is very good to me” and “how good is very good to you” may not be the same. Whatever I mentioned is just a rough reference.

Because I am typing on my phone, so bare with me for the wired spelling errors :-)

Ps: don’t let yourself down for failing the federal psych evaluation (MMPI-2), I was also unsuccessful in year 2013 for the same test as I was overthinking each questions (quite common the the 1st timers). But I was successful on my next attempt, you will eventually do better next time. Keep trying as the baby-boomer generation’s retirement will make CSC recruits massively in the next few years.

Good luck and looking forward to seeing you in this field :-)
Wow, such an amazing, detailed and humble reply! Thank you kind stranger.

I’m not that afraid of working in a more hostile and stressful environment. I have worked in some sketchy places while in security and interacted with countless criminals, mental health and troubled individuals. You mention there is more issues with COs and their peers, that is not so uncommon with every work place I have worked and everyone has this issue, so I’m not surprised any bit.

I am really keen on getting into CSC as it has many benefits and other career opportunity within the federal government. I am disappointed though that CSC uses a third party “doctor” to do administer testing and conduct interviews for MMPI-2 testing. Meanwhile I’ve been told by a coworker that CBSA is doing the MMPI-2 testing in house. That being said, a third party doctor gets paid PER person they evaluate (they get quite a bit of money per person) and they can fail anyone they deem not “Fit”. Hence making a lot of money the more people they fail as those same people will be back again in two years guaranteed to try again.

That’s okay though, I won’t allow a detached, privileged and smug doctor in Toronto make me think I’m not worthy of that job. In the meantime, I will go for provincial and gain some valuable experience.

Thanks again and all the beat endeavours in your career kind stranger!
Those are very impressive experiences you got, those experiences will eventually be big assets to the service.

It is glad to see you are both mentally and physically ready for in this industry. You will enjoy working in ON Correction, it is a rewarding career.

Good luck and hope you get an update from recruiting team soon :-)
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby ygu31 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:16 pm

Meyer88 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:12 pm
Does OCDT (Ottawa) need officers?

Badly want to move back to that area and i am pretty curious as to if there is a need for officers ? I know the ministry has this rule wrt not being allowed to transfer within your first year but no harm in wishful thinking I guess.
Although I am no longer at OCDC, but I still keep in touch with some of OCDC officers, and yes, they do need officers, as OT is still crazy for both full timer and part timers. The Retirement and career turnover make OCDC always seeking new recruits.
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Meyer88 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am

Hey everybody.

Id like to hear from both a positive and negative perspective relating to leaving ON Corrections and going into policing. I might have the opportunity to join a municipal force in the north but havent been in ON corrections for too long. So still enjoying the job, dont have any issues but obviously not ideal as an FXT hours are plentiful which is nice (sometimes), i am a hole filler when full timers book off, but i dont want to regret not giving policing a go. But also dont want to mess up this " good" job but then again i am not permanent. i guess i would roll over after 3 or so years in.

Some people say ON Corrections is not a career and then others are totally for it as its a government position. So I though id come and ask the opinion of some other experienced individuals.

Thank you

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby A_C_P_91 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:27 pm

Meyer88 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:41 am
Hey everybody.

Id like to hear from both a positive and negative perspective relating to leaving ON Corrections and going into policing. I might have the opportunity to join a municipal force in the north but havent been in ON corrections for too long. So still enjoying the job, dont have any issues but obviously not ideal as an FXT hours are plentiful which is nice (sometimes), i am a hole filler when full timers book off, but i dont want to regret not giving policing a go. But also dont want to mess up this " good" job but then again i am not permanent. i guess i would roll over after 3 or so years in.

Some people say ON Corrections is not a career and then others are totally for it as its a government position. So I though id come and ask the opinion of some other experienced individuals.

Thank you
It absolutely is a career. The decision to leave for a career in policing is completely yours. The jobs are so different from one another.

I loved working at Toronto South but I am way happier now that I have left. Depends on what you want in a work style. There isn’t anything to mess up if you leave. I will say the grass isn’t greener out in the public vs the jail.

I had to leave because feeding inmates and unlocking and locking doors was way too repetitive for me. Being in the field has been amazing with freedom and allowing me to conduct my own investigations.

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby japholmes » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:05 pm

Hi Everyone,

Could someone please tell me what type of questions are on the written test, how many questions and how long the test lasts. Thank you.

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Lospollos » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:50 pm

japholmes wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:05 pm
Hi Everyone,

Could someone please tell me what type of questions are on the written test, how many questions and how long the test lasts. Thank you.
All the required information will be in the email If you are selected.
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby japholmes » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:36 pm

Lospollos wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:50 pm
japholmes wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:05 pm
Hi Everyone,

Could someone please tell me what type of questions are on the written test, how many questions and how long the test lasts. Thank you.
All the required information will be in the email If you are selected.
Ok. That's great if I had of applied but I am just trying to find out about all of the steps involved. I doing this so that I will be prepared and know that I am able to pass this test. A little more information would be helpful. Is it the Wonderlic Test?

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Lospollos » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:02 pm

japholmes wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:36 pm
Lospollos wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:50 pm
japholmes wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:05 pm
Hi Everyone,

Could someone please tell me what type of questions are on the written test, how many questions and how long the test lasts. Thank you.
All the required information will be in the email If you are selected.
Ok. That's great if I had of applied but I am just trying to find out about all of the steps involved. I doing this so that I will be prepared and know that I am able to pass this test. A little more information would be helpful. Is it the Wonderlic Test?
6 tests one of them is a wonderlic. It's very elementary If you are worried about it you shouldn't it's not something you can study for. All the tests involve basic math, decision making, reading/writing comprehension.
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby TheSlav » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:20 pm

FYI, they are delaying the testing to people who applied recently to the open positions. They said in the email it’s due to Covid-19 and rightfully so, so I guess hurry up and wait just like the Federal process.

As well, I’d like to say thank you to those who protect our community even amidst this pandemic. Stay safe and healthy people.

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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby ygu31 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:29 pm

The worst part is that some new federal CO recruits at PEI training academy got sent home, even they were only 12 days away from their graduation. Some of them quitted their previous jobs, sublet their apartment in their home cities before they went for CSC training. They now have to struggle for a place to live.
One of my friends was pretty lucky as she was at Ontario CO training and successfully graduated at early March right before the postpone of the training.
The COVID did screw up many people. Hope this can end soon enough.
Good luck and stay safe everyone.
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Fonthill » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:06 am

ygu31 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:29 pm
The worst part is that some new federal CO recruits at PEI training academy got sent home, even they were only 12 days away from their graduation. Some of them quitted their previous jobs, sublet their apartment in their home cities before they went for CSC training. They now have to struggle for a place to live.
One of my friends was pretty lucky as she was at Ontario CO training and successfully graduated at early March right before the postpone of the training.
The COVID did screw up many people. Hope this can end soon enough.
Good luck and stay safe everyone.
Sorry to hear this.


I know the police at OPC locked in their recruits.

Why never quit one job before you have the other.

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stay safe

Postby ygu31 » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:21 pm

I am sure most of us already read this from the news: the COVID 19 outbreak in jail is way worst than we expect. In BC, one institution already had 70 confirmed positive cases (according to CTV news as of Apr 18th: 60 inmates plus 10 staff were positive) and the first inmate death caused by COVID 19 already occurred three days ago.

Have PPE with us at all time and use them when need to do so, especially when at hospital escort shift while inmate is still at emerge where air flow can go any direction (will be safer once they are moved to negative pressure room with single inward airflow direction).

Good luck and stay safe.
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Re: Ontario Correctional Services

Postby Lospollos » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:33 pm

For anyone that doesn't know the province just announced a pandemic raise for all of Frontline workers.
https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2020/04/ ... id-19.html
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