GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby Zepedder » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:08 am

cbmcmsa wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:55 am
IronWolf wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:28 am
cbmcmsa wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:10 am
... The Agency gets 20,000+ applicants a year and most of them know what they're signing up for. The ones that are willing to make ALL of the sacrifices are the ones who are going to not only get hired, but be happy about their choice. Those who aren't, won't.

Just my two cents.
The own CBSA audit shows that over 30% of the current BSOs are unhappy about process/placement/transfers. Lots of "whiners" work in CBSA, if we look them from your perspective ;)

I can almost bet on the fact that most go to CBSA wishing to get their specific POE or region, so the happy ones are not "willing to go anywhere" but were lucky to get areas they preferred.

A responsible organisation listens to employees\applicants concerns and acts on them when it's possible. If not - they are left with unhappy employees that in most cases have no other choice for work and stay there just for the salary.

The people with options leave CBSA if they are unhappy and as far as I observed, biggest source of dissatisfaction is placement/transfers policies.
The issue with your statements here and elsewhere is that you don't actually work for CBSA yet and therefore are basing your opinions on things that may or may not be accurate. Is there dissatisfaction within the Agency on several things, sure, but point me to any organization that doesn't have dissatisfaction. Now I've agreed with you in the past about the staffing policy needing to change. Several people on here have agreed with you. The point that you're making has been made by thousands of people and the Agency is very obviously aware of it. But guess what. It probably won't change as drastically as you want it to, at least not in the next 5 years.


The other issue I take with your sarcastic/condescending tone and the verbiage you choose to use, is that by calling current BSOs "whiners" because they have legitimate issues with some aspect of their job is so unbelievably short sighted. You have no experience as a BSO. A lot of the posters on here, for the most part, don't either. When people whine and complain about the job before they've ever worked it for a day, then label of "whiner" fits. When you're talking about potential future colleagues... Maybe rethink your perspective. Be mindful of what you say on here. Especially since recruiters/moderators read these forums religiously.
100% agree with you and Dave Brown. We all read the job posting (hopefully thoroughly) and all still decided to apply. I can't understand the people who apply to a job and then go on a public forum and complain about the hiring practises. The CBSA audit can say whatever and they can quote whatever they want but the fact is they applied to this job with its current practises. I wouldn't go apply to any other job, government or private sector and then complain when they're hiring practises don't suit my needs. So why is CBSA any different?

In addition to that, there's an above poster who weeks ago was upset that they were deferred, were then ended up being offered an interview spot and decided to come on here and complain about the location? Dave Brown was right, the entitlement is unbelievable. And I say all this as a "millennial".
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby IronWolf » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:17 am

cbmcmsa, better go back and read again what I wrote. You called out anyone that complains after they applied knowing what they are getting into. You called 30% of the unhappy BSOs "whiners" with your statement.

It is sad I have to explain to you what I wrote as you didn't get it.

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby cbmcmsa » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:48 am

IronWolf wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:17 am
cbmcmsa, better go back and read again what I wrote. You called out anyone that complains after they applied knowing what they are getting into. You called 30% of the unhappy BSOs "whiners" with your statement.

It is sad I have to explain to you what I wrote as you didn't get it.
I'm going to take the high road on this one, because your attitude isn't one that is conducive for constructive conversation. Perspectives have been given by people that know what they're talking about from having worked for the Agency, and you've stuck to your guns. If you know everything then I have nothing more to say other than maybe consider you don't have all of the facts and that misquoting/misconstruing points to fit your narrative will only get you in hot water in this line of work. Wish you the best in your process, hopefully everything works out for you!
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby IronWolf » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:55 am

cbmcmsa wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:48 am
...Wish you the best in your process, hopefully everything works out for you!
Good luck to you at RCMP as well !

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby JEagle10 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:00 am

Zepedder wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:08 am
cbmcmsa wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:55 am
IronWolf wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:28 am


The own CBSA audit shows that over 30% of the current BSOs are unhappy about process/placement/transfers. Lots of "whiners" work in CBSA, if we look them from your perspective ;)

I can almost bet on the fact that most go to CBSA wishing to get their specific POE or region, so the happy ones are not "willing to go anywhere" but were lucky to get areas they preferred.

A responsible organisation listens to employees\applicants concerns and acts on them when it's possible. If not - they are left with unhappy employees that in most cases have no other choice for work and stay there just for the salary.

The people with options leave CBSA if they are unhappy and as far as I observed, biggest source of dissatisfaction is placement/transfers policies.
The issue with your statements here and elsewhere is that you don't actually work for CBSA yet and therefore are basing your opinions on things that may or may not be accurate. Is there dissatisfaction within the Agency on several things, sure, but point me to any organization that doesn't have dissatisfaction. Now I've agreed with you in the past about the staffing policy needing to change. Several people on here have agreed with you. The point that you're making has been made by thousands of people and the Agency is very obviously aware of it. But guess what. It probably won't change as drastically as you want it to, at least not in the next 5 years.


The other issue I take with your sarcastic/condescending tone and the verbiage you choose to use, is that by calling current BSOs "whiners" because they have legitimate issues with some aspect of their job is so unbelievably short sighted. You have no experience as a BSO. A lot of the posters on here, for the most part, don't either. When people whine and complain about the job before they've ever worked it for a day, then label of "whiner" fits. When you're talking about potential future colleagues... Maybe rethink your perspective. Be mindful of what you say on here. Especially since recruiters/moderators read these forums religiously.
100% agree with you and Dave Brown. We all read the job posting (hopefully thoroughly) and all still decided to apply. I can't understand the people who apply to a job and then go on a public forum and complain about the hiring practises. The CBSA audit can say whatever and they can quote whatever they want but the fact is they applied to this job with its current practises. I wouldn't go apply to any other job, government or private sector and then complain when they're hiring practises don't suit my needs. So why is CBSA any different?

In addition to that, there's an above poster who weeks ago was upset that they were deferred, were then ended up being offered an interview spot and decided to come on here and complain about the location? Dave Brown was right, the entitlement is unbelievable. And I say all this as a "millennial".

You put it very well, if people hate the hiring process that much just email recruiting and tell them that, so they can take you out 😂 then you won’t have to worry!

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby IronWolf » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:15 am

How about a quote of the day ?

"The Officer Allowance at the College and the mobility clause could be limiting the ability of the CBSA to remain competitive and to effectively place Officer Trainees where they are needed. Other organizations, some of which are competing with the CBSA for applicants (such as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Ontario Provincial Police), are providing higher compensation/stipend during training. The training stipend and the process used by the CBSA to recruit and place officers in regions across Canada have had negative impacts on the Recruits and Officer Trainees, which could result in a less than desirable image of the Agency. Since word of mouth was the most frequently cited mechanism through which applicants have been made aware of career opportunities at the CBSA, improving the experience of Recruits and Officer Trainees could help attract quality applicants while ensuring that the needs of the Agency are met."

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agen ... a-eng.html

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby Zepedder » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:35 am

IronWolf wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:15 am
How about a quote of the day ?

"The Officer Allowance at the College and the mobility clause could be limiting the ability of the CBSA to remain competitive and to effectively place Officer Trainees where they are needed. Other organizations, some of which are competing with the CBSA for applicants (such as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Ontario Provincial Police), are providing higher compensation/stipend during training. The training stipend and the process used by the CBSA to recruit and place officers in regions across Canada have had negative impacts on the Recruits and Officer Trainees, which could result in a less than desirable image of the Agency. Since word of mouth was the most frequently cited mechanism through which applicants have been made aware of career opportunities at the CBSA, improving the experience of Recruits and Officer Trainees could help attract quality applicants while ensuring that the needs of the Agency are met."

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agen ... a-eng.html
Higher compensation would be awesome during training! I've saved like crazy so I can support myself and family through Rigaud and knowing the wait time between finishing training and starting at a POE to get paid. Unfortunately I don't think that will change soon but I knew that when I applied anyway.
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby IronWolf » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:31 am

Zepedder wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:35 am
IronWolf wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:15 am
How about a quote of the day ?

"The Officer Allowance at the College and the mobility clause could be limiting the ability of the CBSA to remain competitive and to effectively place Officer Trainees where they are needed. Other organizations, some of which are competing with the CBSA for applicants (such as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Ontario Provincial Police), are providing higher compensation/stipend during training. The training stipend and the process used by the CBSA to recruit and place officers in regions across Canada have had negative impacts on the Recruits and Officer Trainees, which could result in a less than desirable image of the Agency. Since word of mouth was the most frequently cited mechanism through which applicants have been made aware of career opportunities at the CBSA, improving the experience of Recruits and Officer Trainees could help attract quality applicants while ensuring that the needs of the Agency are met."

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agen ... a-eng.html
Higher compensation would be awesome during training! I've saved like crazy so I can support myself and family through Rigaud and knowing the wait time between finishing training and starting at a POE to get paid. Unfortunately I don't think that will change soon but I knew that when I applied anyway.
Corrections were the same as CBSA for years, but last year in April they started paying 400$/week to their trainees. https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/003/001/00300 ... n.shtml#10

That and more predictability with the Mobility clause will make CBSA way more attractive to apply.

For me personally that's not an issue (the pay during training), but definitely matters for some applicants.

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby kittycat1024 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:20 am

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby kittycat1024 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:21 am

wow......$400/week.......and RCMP $500/week right?

I was very shocked when I first knew CBSA only offers $125/week....... 88)
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby Zepedder » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:22 am

IronWolf wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:31 am

Corrections were the same as CBSA for years, but last year in April they started paying 400$/week to their trainees. https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/003/001/00300 ... n.shtml#10

That and more predictability with the Mobility clause will make CBSA way more attractive to apply.

For me personally that's not an issue (the pay during training), but definitely matters for some applicants.
Wow, that's a pretty substantial increase. It's not an issue for myself either, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't appreciate it regardless. With receiving over 20,000 applicants per posting (I think that number is correct?), I just find it hard to believe they would need to make it any more attractive for applicants.
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby IronWolf » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:33 am

Zepedder wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:22 am
IronWolf wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:31 am

Corrections were the same as CBSA for years, but last year in April they started paying 400$/week to their trainees. https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/003/001/00300 ... n.shtml#10

That and more predictability with the Mobility clause will make CBSA way more attractive to apply.

For me personally that's not an issue (the pay during training), but definitely matters for some applicants.
Wow, that's a pretty substantial increase. It's not an issue for myself either, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't appreciate it regardless. With receiving over 20,000 applicants per posting (I think that number is correct?), I just find it hard to believe they would need to make it any more attractive for applicants.
Quality over quantity, I say.
It's not surprising they get that many, with such low entry requirements and a salary range impossible to achieve for many with secondary degree elsewhere.

If I was making the decisions at HR, I would require applicants to do their OTEE first, then whoever passes to be required to do PARE, RPAL, Psych and Medical at their own expense before being invited to an Interview, then Security clearance stage covered by CBSA and then Rigaud with Mobility clause applied that takes under consideration Applicant preferences.

That will save so much time and $ for the agency and the # of the applicants that HR will directly process will be way lower.

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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby Zepedder » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:43 am

IronWolf wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:33 am

Quality over quantity, I say.
It's not surprising they get that many, with such low entry requirements and a salary range impossible to achieve for many with secondary degree elsewhere.

If I was making the decisions at HR, I would require applicants to do their OTEE first, then whoever passes to be required to do PARE, RPAL, Psych and Medical at their own expense before being invited to an Interview, then Security clearance stage covered by CBSA and then Rigaud with Mobility clause applied that takes under consideration Applicant preferences.

That will save so much time and $ for the agency and the # of the applicants that HR will directly process will be way lower.
Yeah, that's fair. There's potentially a lot of quality people who are dissuaded from the process. Perhaps it will change for future applicants... who knows! But at this point, it won't really apply to myself. Anyway, best of luck to you in the process and hopefully as a future BSO!
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby WSM109 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:45 am

I got this last week.
Anybody else get an email like this?
Looking forward to what’s next.

”As you have successfully passed all the assessment stages within the selection process, you will be sent a formal invitation from the Officer Recruitment Program to participate in the Officer Induction Training Program (OITP) once a date has been secured. Therefore kindly continue to check your emails frequently for further correspondences regarding this selection process.

Our next classes are set to begin in Summer, the dates have not yet been set.“
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Re: GENERAL CBSA APPLICANT CHIT CHAT

Postby IronWolf » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:54 am

Zepedder wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:43 am
...best of luck to you in the process and hopefully as a future BSO!
Same to you !


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