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BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Tango5 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:57 pm

As far as it maybe justified...
41K cost to arm their 40 to 45 personell seems kind of low.

I am not sure what the cost of a sidearm is as far as a Government price, but what about training?
1000.00$ for a sidearm an training?

At least 40 security officers at the British Columbia legislature will be armed with guns and protective vests as part of security upgrades approved this week.

Once upgrades are in place, it’s expected all visitors — MLAs and their guests are exempt — will be required to be vetted before going into the building by way of metal detectors and X-ray machines installed at entrances.

“Here we’re not like the House of Commons in Ottawa where we have police cars and police. We are what we have,” legislature Sergeant-At-Arms Gary Lenz told the Legislative Assembly Management Committee.

“If we have to wait five minutes or eight minutes or 10 minutes for a response, that’s a lifetime. What’s required is to have an adequate presence here to deal with a threat immediately, as was done in Ottawa.”

The move to arm 40 to 45 officers is expected to cost $41,000, according to Lenz. The legislature conducted a review of its security following the shooting incident in Ottawa that left Cpl. Nathan Cirillo fatally shot.

“I want to make it clear,” Lenz said. “At present there is no specific threat against this parliament. However, our greatest threat is the lone wolf — the threat that we are not aware of, or of when it will come.”

Last year on Canada Day, the RCMP said it stopped an alleged plot in which two Canadians, Amanda Marie Korody and John Stewart Nuttall, were charged with the allegation of building pressure cooker bombs to place outside the legislature.

That case is still before the courts.

MLA Shane Simpson said he expects some of the changes will transform the current culture in the legislature.

“I’m not opposed to it, but we are changing the culture of this place when we start talking about armed guards in the buildings and in the precinct,” he told the committee.


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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Von » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:13 pm

Do BC Legislative Security Services Officers have Special Constable status?
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Tango5 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:18 pm

Von, from this it looks like they do have a Special Provincial Constable status. A Peace Officer appointment.

http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.h ... l-shooting

Guns, bullet-proof vests, metal detectors and an airport-like security screening area will soon be the norm at British Columbia’s legislature in the wake of the recent Ottawa shootings and a security review.

The all-party Legislative Assembly Management Committee approved Wednesday evening a seven-point security package recommended by the legislature’s sergeant-at-arms, Gary Lenz.

The vote means protective services staff who are designated as special provincial constables will be equipped and trained in the use of firearms.

Lenz said armed guards are needed at the legislature to meet any threat posed by someone with a weapon, and about 45 of 70 guards will receive the training.

“Here we’re not like the House of Commons in Ottawa where we have police cars and police,” said Lenz.


“We are what we have. If we have to wait five minutes or eight minutes or ten minutes for a response, that’s a lifetime. What’s required is to have an adequate presence here to deal with a threat immediately, as was done in Ottawa.”

Premier Christy Clark said last month she supported a security review even though she feels safe at the buildings after the Ottawa shootings.

The committee also approved installing metal-detector equipment at the front entrance of the legislature and supported the introduction of an airport-like security screening area, through which all members of the public, including tour groups, will have to pass before entering the building.

MLA’s and staff who work in the legislature will also receive training in active-shooter response.

Cpl. Nathan Cirillo was shot dead at the National War Memorial in Ottawa the morning of Oct. 22, before gunman Michael Zehaf Bibeau stormed onto Parliament Hill.

Bibeau was shot dead in the Centre Block by Kevin Vickers, the sergeant-at-arms of the House of Commons.

On Canada Day, two years ago at B.C.’s legislature in Victoria, police arrested a man and woman after a failed plot to plant an explosive device on the grounds.
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Von » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:23 pm

Tango5 wrote:Von, from this it looks like they do have a Special Provincial Constable status. A Peace Officer appointment.

http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.h ... l-shooting


Thanks, I just stumbled upon that article as well. Strange that they didn't have vests already. I'm not too familiar with BC but I understand that Special Constable status there works pretty much the same way it does here in Ontario. I'm curious about whether any other Special Constable forces in the province are armed though? In Ontario only the Niagara Parks Police (who should probably just be their own sworn force rather than being appointed as specials), are armed, and that's mainly because they've always been armed.
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Tango5 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:28 pm

I don't think so.

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Some, maybe, I don't know really. But not all. Status is not a rule.
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Don't wanna stir this shit but.. According to BC Police Act, RCMP Auxiliary Members hold Provincial Constable status.

Auxiliary constables
8 (1) On the recommendation of the commissioner, the minister may appoint persons the minister considers suitable as auxiliary constables.
(2) An auxiliary constable must assist the provincial police force in the performance of its duties.
(3) Subject to the regulations, an auxiliary constable has the powers, duties and immunities of a provincial constable.

Special provincial constables
9 (1) The minister may appoint persons the minister considers suitable as special provincial constables.
(2) A special provincial constable appointed under subsection (1) is appointed for the term the minister specifies in the appointment.
(3) Subject to the restrictions specified in the appointment and the regulations, a special provincial constable has the powers, duties and immunities of a provincial constable.

Jurisdiction of police constables
10 (1) Subject to the restrictions specified in the appointment and the regulations, a provincial constable, an auxiliary constable, a designated constable or a special provincial constable has
(a) all of the powers, duties and immunities of a peace officer and constable at common law or under any Act, and
(b) jurisdiction throughout British Columbia while carrying out those duties and exercising those powers.
(2) If a provincial constable, auxiliary constable, designated constable or special provincial constable exercises jurisdiction under subsection (1) in a municipality having a municipal police department, he or she must, if possible, notify the municipal police department in advance, but in any case must promptly after exercising jurisdiction notify the municipal police department of the municipality.
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Alberta Blue » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:52 pm

Tango5 wrote:
I am not sure what the cost of a sidearm is as far as a Government price, but what about training?
1000.00$ for a sidearm an training?



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Postby IndictableChaser » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:54 am

seems weird. They have transit police and are now arming security personnel protecting government buildings/employees. Yet in Ontario we're far behind :ponder:
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Postby Sk82 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:37 am

Special constable appointments are a very rare thing in BC in comparison to places like Ontario or Aberta peace officers. Only provincial government agencies seem to be the exception to having s/cst appointments that I have seen(Commercial vehicle enforcement, liquor inspectors, conservation officers).
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Postby Von » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:32 pm

IndictableChaser wrote:seems weird. They have transit police and are now arming security personnel protecting government buildings/employees. Yet in Ontario we're far behind :ponder:


Two vastly different breeds of Liberals in power, that's why. BC Liberals are a Center-Center Right government, whereas the Ontario Liberals are basically Socialists. Your average Liberal Party voter in Ontario would probably be fine if the police were disarmed. So us lagging behind on those fronts isn't surprising.
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Postby Dxb538 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:16 pm

$41k to arm 40 people. They are dreaming. It will be multiples of that easily. And only if they can piggy back the training off a local police service. If they have to create their own training it will be hundreds of thousands. Add on the ongoing training and mandatory requalifications. 41k might cover the cost of buying the guns but it certainly won't cover training.
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Gipper » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:06 am

Dxb538 wrote:$41k to arm 40 people. They are dreaming. It will be multiples of that easily. And only if they can piggy back the training off a local police service. If they have to create their own training it will be hundreds of thousands. Add on the ongoing training and mandatory requalifications. 41k might cover the cost of buying the guns but it certainly won't cover training.


Most of them are ex-cops. They can hopefully just do a qualification without going through the training again. They're a pretty common-sense crew there.

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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby IndictableChaser » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:42 am

Von wrote:
IndictableChaser wrote:seems weird. They have transit police and are now arming security personnel protecting government buildings/employees. Yet in Ontario we're far behind :ponder:


Two vastly different breeds of Liberals in power, that's why. BC Liberals are a Center-Center Right government, whereas the Ontario Liberals are basically Socialists. Your average Liberal Party voter in Ontario would probably be fine if the police were disarmed. So us lagging behind on those fronts isn't surprising.



Yet BC is also where the police can't lay charges :?

Except grc's, because that's stupid :mrgreen:
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Postby recceguy » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:47 am

IndictableChaser wrote:Yet BC is also where the police can't lay charges :?

Except grc's, because that's stupid :mrgreen:


What? Can't lay charges?
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby th » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:54 am

recceguy wrote:
IndictableChaser wrote:Yet BC is also where the police can't lay charges :?

Except grc's, because that's stupid :mrgreen:


What? Can't lay charges?

Police recommend charges. Crown makes the decision to actually lay the charge.
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Re: BC Legislature arming their Security personnel.

Postby Sec380CCC » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:06 pm

Most of the BC Ministries and Crown Corporations have their own Special Provincial Constables SPC's that specialize in criminal investigations,

Typically Fraud, Gaming or complex regulatory investigations.


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