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Postby Pete Broccolo » Tue May 13, 2003 10:28 am

We could also talk about glue guns, but the problem is, we HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THESE TOOLS WITH US!

I have never fired rubber projectiles, never handled a water cannon, have no idea what a net-gun looks like, but have heard that they exist and work well.

Personally, based on what I have seen and heard, limited as it may be, and compared to what I know about OC spray, I say that the Taser needs to be issued to every LEO/PO authorized to carry deadly force.

Now, if only the next time Jean-Luc Picard or Will Ryker travel back through time and would be so kind as to loan me a side-arm phazer...

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Postby Herb307 » Wed May 14, 2003 12:28 am

I have just finished taking the M26 Conducted Energy Weapon Course. One of the best things that I have seen is that the client generally does not want anything to do with being tasered( I KNOW I DONT ANYMORE!!!) and in most cases <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> the client will comply with you by using verbal direction. Now if you use OC spray you have to worry about getting it on your partner or you and with the taser there is no cross decontamination or clean up . The members that I work with say that just displaying the M-26 reduced the situation from physical to verbal. Less paperwork ,lawsuits and grief. I believe that all member of law enforcement should have them.

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Postby Kiwi » Wed May 14, 2003 7:45 am

You still have the problem of the medical procedure to remove the barbs with the taser which can be nasty, you also have one shot with the M26, with the use of impact rounds multiple rounds can be deployed if needed.

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Postby Mack » Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:32 pm

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 1800 justice:
<strong>Only members with firearms should be using tasers, one of the requirements for taser operators is a lethal cover. Aux members don't have this even for themselves so no tasers.

Sorry guys just enjoy the ride.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Regular officer is the lethal cover, aux member uses taser = shocking experience for 'client' - where is the problem?
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Postby Northerner » Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:52 pm

If the Aux is properly trained, then I don't see why he can't carry the Taser... it would enable the regular member to be providing the lethal overwatch and making the voice commands, and let the auxiliary member at least be some active patricipating backup at a weapon call, instead of attending a weapon call with an Aux and being more worried that my unarmed partner is a liability (having only a baton & spray, at best). Having been hit by the taser, and used it on a 'client' on three occasions, I'm impressed with how effective it is.

As to the statement that the external carrier and extra holster make us look like ERT dudes, frankly I don't care if the public likes how I look. Most of them seem to want us to be dressed in happy, fuzzy bunny suits..........

The extra drop-down holster is a pain in the butt, but I've made myself strap one on every shift so that I get used to it, and make it a habit to have one. I'm sure the old boys can confirm that having to start wearing a vest was a pain in the butt to adjust to, but all it takes is a period of adjustment.

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Postby Aux officer » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:58 am

Arming aux's with less lethal sounds great (ok maybe a little bias). A recent example: 20 year old breaks into ex's armed with a knife extremely high on crack. Attempts to stab her them flees on foot. When we caught him there was 4 glocks 1 k9 and 1 baton. No need to explain who had what.Had we not got to him at the same time things could have been different. Bean bag shotguns are also another tool to be utilized as well. If we revert back to the use of force module. The more options you have the more your back side is covered.If we had to jump from "level 1" say to "level 3" (i don't want to print the module). Things may have turned out better.As far a liability, things escalated through the module.Having said that TRAINING TRAINING TRAINING

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Postby Targetshot » Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:51 pm

anyone know exactly why Ontario does not allow officers to carry (Reg officers)?

can the taser assist in causing a heart attack?

does it only work it it contacts the skin? or will it go through clothes?

(no more questions i swear! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> )

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Postby Dave Brown » Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:02 pm

Don't know.

No.

No. Yes.

Ask Les. When he was last Tasered, they taped the probes to the tongue of his boot and the shoulder of his shirt.

He dropped in microseconds.

Unlike many of the other "volunteers" we watched, Les did NOT curl into a ball and cry like a baby, however.

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Postby Northerner » Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:01 pm

I don't know why Ontario guys don't carry them - blame the bureaucracy.

The taser is supposed to work through clothing (I can't find the papers from my training course) up to (correct me if I'm wrong) 1/2 inch.

I got tased by having the leads taped to my shoulder blade and right calf, over jeans a t-shirt, and it dropped me like a wet sack of taters, and left a nice little burn mark. That was a 1/2 second hit, not the full 5 seconds we use on our 'clients'. It really, really hurts.
I compare it to the feeling when you really whack your funny bone hard, only it hits over your whole body at once.

The instructor mentioned at the time that it is not deep-penetrating (we were worried about peeing our pants when we got zapped at the training session - he assured us that this COULDN'T happen....). By this philosophy I would presume it shouldn't cause heart failure, but I'm no taser expert or electrician, so I can't say much more than that. Maybe check out the manufacturer website; if they're selling it they should be able to answer those questions.

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Postby th » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:03 pm

Hoodwinkle wrote:What is the preferred taser to carry? M26 or X26?


Hey Wayne.

You couldn't let someone else have that revive the oldest thread award huh? :shame:
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Postby Respond Wayne » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:06 pm

Hoodwinkle wrote: :smirk: I did it for Wayner.


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