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Postby glasspax » Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:52 am

What do you think of possibly training and issuing your auxiliary members with a less than lethal alternative to a sidearm such as a taser? The people who make decisions don't allow for a gun due to liability issues, but would this not be a logical substitute.

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Postby white_dog » Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:27 am

If they can have batons and OC spray then there shouldn't be any issue with the Taser.

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Postby TacWarrior » Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:57 pm

Will not occur in Ontario in near future. Only tactical members are allowed to carry currently per: Ministry of Public Safety and Security.

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Postby white_dog » Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:29 pm

BC isn't nearly as rigid. As long as you have the training you can carry. That being said the current trend according to the last call for candidates is to train members who currently have the either the Public and Police Safety or Basic Firearms Instructor training first.

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Postby Helio » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:39 pm

Ontario has only recently received authorization for Tactical officers to carry Tasers after an exhaustive trial period carried out By the Ottawa and Toronto Police Services.

There has been some recent wranglings with respect to uniform sergeants also carrying them on the road. This would require further authorization from the provincial government.

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Postby 1800 justice » Sat May 03, 2003 6:32 pm

Only members with firearms should be using tasers, one of the requirements for taser operators is a lethal cover. Aux members don't have this even for themselves so no tasers.

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Postby preacher » Sat May 03, 2003 11:28 pm

Back to the original question...

Of course they SHOULD be given tasers. (...And all of the requisite training too, as goes without saying...)

Having them would make auxilliary and special constables safer and make the public safer too... And isn't that the point?!?

All the rest is just hot air and political crap!

(Of course, this side-steps the question of actually arming these officers with guns, but it is a different question.)

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Postby Kiwi » Sun May 04, 2003 3:45 pm

1800 Justice is right, all less lethal must be covered off by lethal back up. Also i believe that there is a difference between baton, oc and taser. To remove the taser barbs is a medical procedure, and it can be messy depending on shot placement.

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Postby Barkley » Sun May 04, 2003 10:33 pm

I went on some auxiliary refresher training at K Division HQ in Edmonton last March. Our instructors told us that rural A/Cst. members have been trained and authorized to carry tasers in northern Alberta. We all got zapped and it hurt like hell.

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Postby PeterParker » Mon May 05, 2003 10:19 am

I'm an auxilary member and have been "stuck" with carrying the taser for the past month while on patrol with a reg member. The boss wants the taser to be with a member especially on weekend nights, but most reg members don't want to strap on another holster. Personally, I find the leg holster is a pain in the a**, plus, coupled with an external vest, it makes you look like an ERT member. I have received many comments from the general public to that effect.

I think 1800 Justice is half right. Lethal back up is required if using the taser against a threat of death or GBH. Aux members are always with a reg member, who obviously provides the lethal back up.

At any rate, it would be interesting what reg members think about having their aux member carrying the taser.

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Postby RJB » Mon May 05, 2003 1:52 pm

I think if Auxiliaries can carry a baton and OC Spray they should be allowed to carry a taser.

The OC and the Baton are largely in close-combat situations. The Advanced Taser can hit a subject from 21 feet away.

If I were an Aux who was authorized to carry a taser while on duty, but the funds were not there, I would shell out the $399.95USD for my and fellow officer's safety.

<small>[ May 05, 2003, 15:59: Message edited by: RJB ]</small>

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Postby PeterParker » Mon May 05, 2003 3:27 pm

I'm impressed that you know the specs but it serves no purpose to post that info on an open public BB. Always consider that when posting info that can be used for purposes other than discussion on this board.

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Postby RJB » Mon May 05, 2003 4:00 pm

Those specs are from the manufacturer's website, also a public site.

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Postby BUDDHA7620 » Mon May 12, 2003 7:56 pm

I'm surprised no one would discuss the Defender Less Than Lethal system 20 gauge revolver shooting rubber projectials and sock rounds quite an owowowowoweee.
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