Arming Peace Officers

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Arming Peace Officers

Postby TJ_HOOKER » Sat May 29, 2010 9:30 am

So just looking for some professional opinions....in Edmonton there was recently a shooting on the Transit system. This has brought a debate about in the City regarding whether or not transit peace officers should be armed or not. This is of course provided they got the appropriate firearm training ect.... thoughts....

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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby T.M.DIESEL » Sat May 29, 2010 9:56 am

In Ontario it is up to the Police Service that is the sponsor of the unit. Only ones around here that are armed is Niagara Parks Police and the Conservation Officers. I can't see the reason anymore not to arm some services, times have really changed and it is not like the old days. B.C., Alberta have armed Sheriffs or Community Officers and this tier policing seems to be gaining ground. As for Ontario, not in my lifetime I am sure.

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Postby mcdonaja » Sat May 29, 2010 9:59 am

I could have sworn I saw an Armed "Go Transit" copper...
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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby Bald Man » Sat May 29, 2010 10:04 am

The city will likely just bring in the police before arming transit security. Alberta won't even give Sheriff's real peace officer powers who are armed. What does that tell you? There has been lots of incidents in the Toronto TTC. TTC special cst's did a security audit re arming of transit officers. The old saying becareful what you wish for couldn't be more true. The TPS has started to take over transit security as a result.

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Postby T.M.DIESEL » Sat May 29, 2010 10:12 am

mcdonaja wrote:I could have sworn I saw an Armed "Go Transit" copper...


Negative on that one for sure.
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Postby No 20 Year Medal » Sat May 29, 2010 10:29 am

T.M.DIESEL wrote:
mcdonaja wrote:I could have sworn I saw an Armed "Go Transit" copper...
Negative on that one for sure.
Definitely negative on that one! If anything, they're somewhat regressing. As a patch nerd I have it on good authority they're changing their shirts to grey with shoulder flashes that say "Transit Safety", and their cars are already being rebranded to that label. I can't see them getting chunks.
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Postby mcdonaja » Sat May 29, 2010 10:53 am

tks...must've been a large black pouch or something...perhaps a ticket scanner would be more like it. Didn't have my pop bottle glasses on so my eagle like vision was a bit flawed as well.
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Postby Grassynarrows » Sat May 29, 2010 4:30 pm

In Manitoba they have primary and secondary police. I think ontario could move the way of having secondary police if there was support for it.
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Postby basketcase » Sat May 29, 2010 5:14 pm

I say arm everybody to the teeth because in 2012 we're going to have to fight off the apocalypse!

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Postby mcdonaja » Sat May 29, 2010 5:21 pm

...this is the only apocalypse we have to fight off in Ontario come 2011. Anything after that will be a breeze!

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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby Bald Man » Sat May 29, 2010 6:30 pm

Grassynarrows wrote:In Manitoba they have primary and secondary police. I think ontario could move the way of having secondary police if there was support for it.



What's secondary police?

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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby CPO12136 » Sat May 29, 2010 6:53 pm

Don't expect anything like this to happen in Alberta for the next 3-5 years. What with the expansion of Peace Officer's into the investigation and arrest authority for non-urgent community calls (theft under and mischief under), there may be more of a reason for the arming of Peace Officers, but don't expect it.

This has been hammered on by Alberta's Community Peace Officers for the longest time. Everyone that works as a CPO in Alberta needs to learn how to professionally and effectively do the job they were hired to do and stop worrying about having more weapons on their belts.

My 2 Cents....for what its worth. (and I have been a CPO 1 for the last 3 years, i.e. I do traffic stops)

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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby Madeline236 » Sat May 29, 2010 8:20 pm

Bald Man wrote:
Grassynarrows wrote:In Manitoba they have primary and secondary police. I think ontario could move the way of having secondary police if there was support for it.



What's secondary police?


Just what I was thinking. I'd like to know too. I've never ran into anyone saying they were secondary police. I don't know of any peace officer out there that is armed. Not Winnipeg Parks Police, there is no transit police, Cadets are not set up and won't have them. Conservation maybe I can't remember.

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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby mcdonaja » Sat May 29, 2010 9:21 pm

Well OPP are the "first" police, anything after that is "secondary". ;)
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Re: Arming Peace Officers

Postby Bald Man » Sat May 29, 2010 10:03 pm

mcdonaja wrote:Well OPP are the "first" police, anything after that is "secondary". ;)


Depends what jurisdiciton you're in. ;) No but seriously, the police are the police, never heard of secondary police.


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