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Postby PHB » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:33 pm

I read this article on Officer.com today and I wanted to know if anyone on this forum has attended any of these shooting events? If yes did you think they were beneficial enhancement to your regular training? I am attending the CBSA course of fire this year and I was informed that we would only be allowed to practice twice a year. This is why I would be interested in supplemental training. Any input would be great.

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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby Bitterman » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:19 am

I shoot lots of IDPA and IDPA-esq events.
Keep in mind that it's just a "game". Some guys think it's "realistic" as far as firefights go, but until they figure out a way to have the cardboard targets shoot back at you.... It's just grown men (and women) playing cops and robbers.
I like to think I'm pretty good at it, but I would never suppose it means I would perform well in a real armed confrontation. Unless of course my assailant was made of cardboard, stood still and didn't have the ability to shoot back at me :mrgreen:
IDPA is a US based org.. There are a few chapters in Canada, but for similar shooting action there are other home grown bodies that do pretty much the same thing.
Canadian Defensive Pistol and the Ontario Defensive Pistol League are two.

http://www.canadiandefensivepistol.org/

http://www.odplonline.org/
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:04 am

It looks like shooting with these types of organizations would be better than just shooting from a regular stance. Our agency is only letting us shoot twice a year (I don't think this is nearly enough) so i'm looking for a way to supplement my training between practice sessions. Thanks allot for you input!
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby NightHawk » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:52 am

The policy that does not allow us to take our DFA to the range for practice will change soon enough. Now, having ammo covered...not going to hold my breath on that one.
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Postby Bitterman » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:46 pm

PXB745 wrote: i'm looking for a way to supplement my training between practice sessions. Thanks allot for you input!


Any trigger time is good... If nothing else, shooting any of the action type games will increase your level of proficiancy with your pistol. You'll also get experience at shooting on the move, stoppage drills etc.
You'll also have lots of fun :D
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:34 pm

NightHawk wrote:The policy that does not allow us to take our DFA to the range for practice will change soon enough. Now, having ammo covered...not going to hold my breath on that one.


I doubt CBSA will pick up ammo for us but I would gladly buy my own ammo to get some extra range time. We shouldn't have to but waiting for a policy to come out would take forever.
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:38 pm

Striker wrote:
PXB745 wrote:I read this article on Officer.com today and I wanted to know if anyone on this forum has attended any of these shooting events? If yes did you think they were beneficial enhancement to your regular training? I am attending the CBSA course of fire this year and I was informed that we would only be allowed to practice twice a year. This is why I would be interested in supplemental training. Any input would be great.

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I'm interested in their definition of practice. Does that mean you can use their facility, firearms and ammo or can you take your sidearm to an approved range on your own time?


I would assume that you would bring your sidearm and your own ammo plus buy range time to the club you are using. There is a range one hour from where I live that is IDPA certified i'm gonna go there and check it out when I get my duty sidearm and the policy changes.
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:42 pm

Bitterman wrote:
PXB745 wrote: i'm looking for a way to supplement my training between practice sessions. Thanks allot for you input!


Any trigger time is good... If nothing else, shooting any of the action type games will increase your level of proficiancy with your pistol. You'll also get experience at shooting on the move, stoppage drills etc.
You'll also have lots of fun :D


It looks like a really good time! I'm gonna check out the range close to where I live. I might just buy a PX4 Storm and keep it in the US at the club. Our sidearm is prohibited in Canada which makes it illegal for us to even have a version of our sidearm privately.
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby Bitterman » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:36 pm

PXB745 wrote: I might just buy a PX4 Storm and keep it in the US at the club.


Which club 'you taliking about...?
I'll be at BWSA on Saturday shootin' it up with my fellow American... and Canadian shootists :pistols:

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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:42 pm

Bitterman wrote:
PXB745 wrote: I might just buy a PX4 Storm and keep it in the US at the club.


Which club 'you taliking about...?
I'll be at BWSA on Saturday shootin' it up with my fellow American... and Canadian shootists :pistols:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWd51qlX ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-YLJhH5cY


It's the East Grand Forks shooting club. I'm out of Emerson, MB so the closest IDPA shooting club is in East Grand Forks, North Dakota.

http://www.idpa.com/clublist.asp?state=ND
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:47 pm

As has been discussed before plenty of times, you can buy a restricted version of the Px4 if you are really that hardcore about using it.


I think it would be a good idea to have a PX4. One practice session every six months just doesn't cut it in my opinion. If I ever have to use the sidearm I don't want to be out of practice.
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby portcullisguy » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:36 pm

Speaking to people who know, one of two things will happen in a firefight (I have to speak to other people, because admittedly I've never been in a firefight): You will either shit your pants and do nothing. Or you will fall back on your training.

Our RSM puts it another way: "In combat you do not rise to the occasion, you sink to the level of training."

IDPA, even IPSC and PPC, all give you more trigger time, more skill-building, more "front sight, front sight, front sight". Any police service or armed law enforcement agency will only ever give you the bare minimum required to make you a competent shooter. The only way to get better is to practice and build skills.

The trick, as I'm sure Dave Brown will confirm, is not to un-learn good skills by learning bad ones.

From what I can tell, IDPA tries to put you in somewhat realistic scenarios with what is arguably the most likely type of firearm you are going to have at hand should the guano impact upon the oscillating wind generator. The tricked out 1911 with .0005 lb trigger pull, comp'd barrel and electronic optics is not likely to be in your holster when you are in uniform carrying for duty. You are more likely going to have a double-action only or striker fired combo poly/steel 9mm or .40 S&W loaded with factory hollow-points, and two mags in button down pouches.

If you can perform well and get good scores under stock conditions, you'll probably do ok when the chips are down ... assuming you don't freeze and shit your pants.
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Re: International Defense Pistol Association

Postby PHB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:26 pm

If you can perform well and get good scores under stock conditions, you'll probably do ok when the chips are down ... assuming you don't freeze and shit your pants.


Well I hope I never have to find out! If I ever have to I want to be the best with my sidearm that I can possibly be so as soon As I get trained I will get involved with the nearest IDPA certified range.
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