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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Canadian Blue » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:44 pm

Back on topic.

Handguns shouldn't be banned, I'm not sure why we have this idea that if you ban something it'll magically go away. If I want to own a handgun I don't see why I shouldn't have the right too, and just because I own a Glock does not mean I'm susceptible to becoming a serial killer. I used to be opposed to widespread gun ownership but changed my opinion as time went on. Their's widespread gun ownership in Switzerland and Norway as well, however those places haven't turned into Detroit off the Robocop films.

I'd be willing to bet good money that Actus thinks awarding the Order to Morgenthaler is a great idea.


I can honestly say I don't really have a problem with it myself.


Well, for those of use who believe a fetus is an actual human life we have a problem with it. In my own view once both the sperm and egg combine they create a new entity due to the fact the DNA is already unique to the fetus. Feminists at one time actually stated that a fetus was nothing more than a tumour, something which is laughable today. It's not based on any religious view as I'm an atheist, but on what I've read from other sources. As well its been found that a fetus can live outside of the womb at the 22nd week. If a fetus can live outside of the womb that early on, then why are we still allowing abortions after that time period.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/ ... eandhealth

Second, Morgentaler is a pompous prick, and it's unfortunate because those people who had the Order for previous work are returning them in protest. Their are people out there who are much more deserving.

Finally, Canada has absolutely no abortion law. When it comes to abortion in Canada it's basically anarchy. When the Supreme Court struck down our previous abortion law they asked that parliament redefine the law. The Mulroney government first brought in legislation which passed, but was later defeated by our unelected senate. Ever since the status quo has been one of opposing any debate on the subject. This can be seen in parliament, on universities where left wing students groups attempt to outright ban pro-life groups, and in the media which never seems to touch the story out of fear of being called politically incorrect or anti-women.

Most of Europe has outlawed private ownership of handguns, and they seem to be getting along just fine without an 'inalienable' right to bear arms.


Not really on topic, but have you paid attention to the riots in Paris, or for that matter the killing of politicians in the Netherlands. Great Britian is actually more violent then before the gun ban when it comes to knife crime.

No, it's totally insane that a supposedly advanced society should be using a 200 year old piece of paper to allow its citizens to kill each other with a weapon that should only be in the hands of the miltary or law enforcement.


That's a huge oversimplification of the Constitution. So far that 200 year old piece of paper has worked extremely well for the United States, and I'm sure it'll work well for the next 200 years.

On the other hand, you reap what you sew, and the US has certainly seen that at Columbine, Waco, Ruby Ridge and Virginia Tech.


As long as we have narcissistic sociopaths we will always have Columbines, Waco's, and Ruby Ridge's. Even over in Germany they had a school shooting which ended the lives of 18 people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1952869.stm

18 dead in German school shooting


The Gutenberg school is well-known in Erfurt

Eighteen people died when an expelled former pupil went on a shooting spree at his school in the eastern German city of Erfurt.
Masked and dressed in black, the gunman walked through classrooms killing 14 teachers, two schoolgirls and one of the first policemen on the scene before taking his own life.



He was clothed completely in black and you could only see his eyes.

Pupil who witnessed the killing

Pupils of the Gutenberg School spent four hours trapped inside before police could declare the building safe.

Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder described the massacre in the quiet provincial city as "beyond the powers of the imagination".

As four other victims were being treated in hospital, people gathered in the city for a church service in the evening.
Pupils also tried to get help using their mobile phones


It is the worst school massacre in Europe since the 1996 shooting in Dunblane, Scotland, when a deranged gunman killed 16 children, a teacher and himself.

BBC Berlin correspondent Rob Broomby says the incident is also the worst of its kind in Germany's post-war history.

The German authorities have not given the name of the Erfurt killer but they said he was a 19-year-old who had been expelled from the school several months earlier and told he could not sit his university entrance exam.

Exams

"We were sitting in class doing our work and we heard a shooting sound," said eyewitness Filip Niemann.




Major school shootings:
1996: 16 children and a teacher shot dead at Dunblane Primary School, Scotland

1998: 4 pupils and a teacher killed by 2 boys aged 11 and 13 at Westside Middle School, Arkansas, in the US

1999: 12 pupils and a teacher killed by 2 teenage gunmen at Columbine High School, Colorado in the US

Full chronology



When the killer turned up on Friday morning with a pump-action shotgun and a pistol, his former classmates were sitting exams.

"We joked about it and the teacher smiled," said Niemann.

"The teacher let us go out and see what was happening and when we left the classroom, three to four metres in front of us, there was a masked person in black holding his gun at his shoulder."

Niemann saw a teacher being shot and fled with other pupils as the killer stalked the classrooms, searching for more teachers.

Fifteen of those killed died in the first few minutes of the shooting, which began shortly before 1100 local time (0900 GMT).

After a caretaker alerted the police, two officers appeared at the school around noon, only to find dead bodies as they entered.
Police initially feared there were two gunmen inside


As they approached, the gunman shot dead one of them, a 42-year-old father who had been planning to celebrate his daughter's birthday that day.

The police then sealed the area and brought in special forces as scores of children remained trapped inside.

A handwritten note could be seen attached to a classroom window saying simply "Help".

The killer took his own life, reportedly when commandos finally stormed the building.

"This student seems to have had such hatred because he was expelled and couldn't sit his exam that he was driven to this terrible deed," said Interior Minister Otto Schily.

By a bizarre coincidence, he noted, the German parliament had passed new legislation tightening gun controls on Friday.

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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby wicked_police » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:25 pm

Striker wrote:Excellent post Canadian Blue. :thumbsup:



Agreed.

There has been an increase in gun violence in the areas with the most restrictive gun laws. It's been said here a few times, but is ignored by those that think banning guns will solve the problems.

In a place like the UK, where handguns are virtually outlawed, how do you explain an increase in violence and deaths by handguns? And what is the answer now, since banning hadguns hasn't seemed to solve the problem???

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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Canadian Blue » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:08 pm

I call it the "feel good" answer to all of our problems. It seems like a great idea to ban handguns, but in the end it won't make a hell of alot of difference. When people in government make up some of these policies you can't help but ask whether they've ever done any research before putting them into law. Everything is based on emotion, people have a dislike for firearms, and politicians make retarded laws based on that emotion. It's the nanny state at it's worst. We have the same problem in Alberta where the government is putting in retarded legislation regarding tobacco and alcohol.

In my twisted view of the world I believe if an individual does something which either breaks the law or harms themself they should take responsibility for it and that the majority of law abiding people shouldn't be subjected to some ridiculous laws made up by special interest groups and politicians who want to be politically correct.

In the case of firearms ownership I have not found one independant study that shows a society with more guns or fewer guns will be more violent. All of the current studies are usually done by both extremes of the debate. I'm all for firearms owners taking a course and registering their firearms at their local police detachment, but theirs no point in putting in any other ridiculous legislation that will do absolutely nothing. Taking away the right of Jim Bob to own a handgun out in Timmins will not solve the problem of gang violence in Toronto.

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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby wicked_police » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:46 am

There's no room for common sense in matters such as this.

Decisions, policy, and law must only be made based on emotion!! And usually the emotion of the most vocal special-interest group of the day.

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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Wildbore » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:23 pm

Actus Reus wrote:Society has outlawed the use of PCB's, CFC's, leaded gasoline, asbestos and a hundred other substances and items deemed to be much too dangerous. My 'right' to use asbestos as a cheap fireproofing in my house is curtailed, but i accept that because it is for the greater good. NRA-ers are not going to change this opinion, and I suppose that I am not going to change their point-of-view either. I am just glad that I don't live in a country where handguns are as plentiful (and as easily obtained) as apples and oranges. I was going to type more but i'd just be feeding the uber-republican troll.


Anyways, the handguns from law-abiding people aren't the problem. In 2005, of the 129 homicides committed with a handgun, just four were known to be registered. In 2006, that number was only six out of 108. Yet, people like you continue to smear the names of the owners of the 500,000 handguns in Canada, saying they own a "dangerous" weapon which should only be for military and police. The facts don't support your argument.

The reality is, the guns from law-abiding owners rarely end up in crime. Despite Canada's strict gun control, we still have massacres like Dawson College occurring. People who want to do harm will ALWAYS find ways to get guns. Britain completely banned handguns, and their crime rate soared. The only way to stop these criminals from mass-mudering people is to have law-abiding people carrying firearms to intervene and reduce deaths. Many massacres have been prevented in the US by CCW holders, and every state that issues CCW has kept the program because evidence shows overwelmingly that it reduces violent crime rates.

We need a court case in Canada that upholds our rights to own firearms, and end government from trampling on these rights.

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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Actus Reus » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:36 pm

I'll see your 'trampling on our rights' cliche and raise you this:


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Postby SPC » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:39 pm

Actus Reus wrote:I'll see your 'trampling on our rights' cliche and raise you this:


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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Actus Reus » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:58 pm

He should have stuck to this role:

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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Grassynarrows » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:28 pm

NRA all the way. RIP Mr Heston.
Proud to be a handgun owner, and proud to be a firearm owner. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Actus Reus » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:55 pm

The nice thing about handgun ownership is that, given enough time, it's a self-correcting problem. The bad thing is all the collateral damage while the problem sorts itself out.
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Re: US Supreme Court Upholds Right to Own Handguns

Postby Bald Man » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:59 pm

Striker wrote:
Grassynarrows wrote:NRA all the way. RIP Mr Heston.
Proud to be a handgun owner, and proud to be a firearm owner. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Amen! Well except I'm a member of CSSA and the NFA! 8)


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