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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby CourtOfficer » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:54 pm

Bald Man wrote:
Greg W wrote:
warden602 wrote:Interesting... from the sounds of it everyone is using .40 cal except for the Feds and Nova Scotia using 9mm.

I've heard that it's been pre-ordained that we're going with the 9mm as well... despite the obvious choice most natural resource agencies in the country have made.
That's too bad. Someone isn't doing their homework or is being close minded. Many agencies who originally went with the 9mm in the 90's have switched to the .40 S&W or are wishing they could. This isn't a Canadian resource agency but just for interest's sake the Maine Warden Service Game Wardens carry a P226 in .357 Sig. They carried a .357 Magnum revolver prior to that.
New Jersey Fish and Wildlife issue a Glock 31 in .357 Sig. Great round. I are a bunch of agencies that carry the .357 Sig. This is what I came across on the net, I'm sure there is a lot more out there.

Alameda County Police
Delaware State Police (First to adopt the 357 SIG)
Dallas, Texas Police
Federal Air Marshals
Federal Protective Services (FPS) Special Agents for General Services Administration (GSA) - P229
Keizer Police Department, Oregon
La Porte County Indiana Sheriff's Department
Laurence County Sheriff's Office, Tennessee
Las Vegas Metro Police (allowed use of)
Liberty Twp Police Dept, Ohio
Maine Aroostook County Sheriff's Office
Maine Game Wardens (P226)
Maricopa County [Phoenix] Arizona Sheriff's Office/MCSO
Montcalm County (Michigan) Sheriff's Office
New Jersey Division of Fish & Game
New Mexico State Police
Niles Police Dept, Ohio
Northwood Police Dept, ND
NC Highway Patrol
NC Wake County Sheriff's Department
NC Wildlife Enforcement Officers
Nueces County Sheriff Department, Texas (Sigpro)
Oakland County Sheriff's Dept, Michigan
Orange Police Dept, CT (sig pro, SP2340 .357)
Orlando PD (plainclothes officers)
Oxford, Mississippi
Richmond, Virginia
Rocky Mount Police Dept, Rocky Mount, NC
Springfield, IL
Tennessee Highway Patrol
Union County Sheriff's Office, Marysville, Ohio (Glock 31)
Texas, DPS
United States (GSA) - Office of Inspector General (OIG) Special Agents - P229United States Secret Service
Virginia State Police
For those wondering, I've checked the IP addresses and Baldman is not MLEO.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Respond Wayne » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:16 pm

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Bald Man » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:18 am

You funny guy CO :roll:

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Grassynarrows » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:05 pm

That 357 Sig round is a hot round. I'd love to try one sometime.
Be professional and methodical. Take ownership of the situation. Look, listen and understand what is really being said and you will never have to walk away from an incident wondering if you missed something. Make every contact with the public count.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Islander » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:27 am

Grassynarrows wrote:That 357 Sig round is a hot round. I'd love to try one sometime.
7.62x25 is nice too :)

Bald Man wrote:
Dave Brown wrote:The disturbing part is not necessarily the choice of the 9mm Luger cartridge. The disturbing part is that ANYTHING is already pre-ordained before they have even gone to the wardens to see what they wanted.

Anyone wanna take bets on what recommendations their 'experts' come up with for Parks Canada?
My bets are on the hot new Webley .38S&W? ;)
I don't know.. but there's something that I love about that old .38 S&W round... Got an old .38/200 pre-victory S&W that I cast for... It's slow, but still fun!

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Bald Man » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:01 am

Islander wrote:
Grassynarrows wrote:That 357 Sig round is a hot round. I'd love to try one sometime.
7.62x25 is nice too :)

Bald Man wrote:
Dave Brown wrote:The disturbing part is not necessarily the choice of the 9mm Luger cartridge. The disturbing part is that ANYTHING is already pre-ordained before they have even gone to the wardens to see what they wanted.

Anyone wanna take bets on what recommendations their 'experts' come up with for Parks Canada?
My bets are on the hot new Webley .38S&W? ;)
I don't know.. but there's something that I love about that old .38 S&W round... Got an old .38/200 pre-victory S&W that I cast for... It's slow, but still fun!
The .38 special is a very good round with the right ammo such as some of the hotter +P and +P+ rounds. Corbon makes some hot handgun rounds.

38 Special+P 110gr JHP 1050fps 269ftlbs 1.875
38 Special+P 125gr JHP 950fps 251ftlbs 1.875

.38 Super is also a nice round.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Islander » Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:49 pm

.38 S&W is slower than cold molasses but I love it.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby TackleberryG22 » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:04 pm

Dollars to.... era, .. pastries... Anyway
I was going to suggest the Wardens would probably end up with same as a the RCMP... why?

Well they can come up with warm fuzzies like in 'joint operations when someone is low on ammo, you can get some from somebody else' Reality is, I'm as much of a 'TeamPlayer' as the next member, but trigger control is a 'discipline' Learn it.

Reality will probably be the all mighty $$$ for purchase Feds ordering, +100 more please, send us the bill. Ammo? same, add x amount of cases to the order and ship it here instead.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Grassynarrows » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:04 pm

Main thing is they are being armed
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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby warden602 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:19 pm

Grassynarrows wrote:Main thing is they are being armed
Not all... which is a sticking point for the 325 that have been stripped of their job titles.... and the 100 that will have to work with inadequate coverage and backup.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Grassynarrows » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:19 pm

I wish they were all armed. Seems like not much thought went into the process on the part of the government.
Be professional and methodical. Take ownership of the situation. Look, listen and understand what is really being said and you will never have to walk away from an incident wondering if you missed something. Make every contact with the public count.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby FedCO » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:38 am

Bald Man wrote:Ontario Conservation use a .40S&W Heckler&Koch USP.
Thats sexy, off topic how does one become a Conservation officer and what is their primary duties do they fall under peace officer and is this why they carry a side arm.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Islander » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:36 am

josh1303 wrote:
Bald Man wrote:Ontario Conservation use a .40S&W Heckler&Koch USP.
Thats sexy, off topic how does one become a Conservation officer and what is their primary duties do they fall under peace officer and is this why they carry a side arm.
Here in NL, you can do the program at the College of the North Atlantic. I'm pretty sure they do not fall under peace officers here. I applaud arming these folks however their amount of training and re-training/practice is something I think needs improvement.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby 48highlander » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:30 pm

josh1303 wrote:
Bald Man wrote:Ontario Conservation use a .40S&W Heckler&Koch USP.
Thats sexy, off topic how does one become a Conservation officer and what is their primary duties do they fall under peace officer and is this why they carry a side arm.
Here is a current Job Ad for Provincial CO in Ontario http://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Preview.aspx?JobID=17093, the job specs link at the bottom also details more about the position.

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Re: firearms - Conservation Officer

Postby Stump » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:14 pm

Any update on the sidearm that the national Parks Wardens will be issued ??

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