OPG Security Getting Armed???

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby dusty » Sat May 31, 2008 3:08 pm

You're asking two completely different questions, and the answer to each one is very obvious. It only makes sense that they would have an advantage operating in the facility that they constantly train in. In regards to the training question, of course training prepares tac teams for the real world, however, all the training in the world cannot beat training combined with experience when it comes to real life scenarios.
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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Bitterman » Sat May 31, 2008 7:13 pm

I'm sure the presence of these well armed high-speed-low-drag teams serve well as a deterrent.
Perhaps those looking to do evil will think twice about messing with a power station and look towards softer targets like schools, libraries, sports stadiums or water treatment plants.
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Postby 48highlander » Sat May 31, 2008 9:08 pm

Bitterman wrote:I'm sure the presence of these well armed high-speed-low-drag teams serve well as a deterrent.
Perhaps those looking to do evil will think twice about messing with a power station and look towards softer targets like schools, libraries, sports stadiums or water treatment plants.


No one is saying the they don't serve as a deterent, and that they are probably capable and compentent in their roles. What we are saying, is that we shouldn't confuse how they (Bruce et al) perform at Games/Competitions, with how they MAY perform in real life. LAPD, TPS etc have all proven their capabilities in the real world were it actually counts.

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Jeff » Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:19 am

Not that anyone has said it here, but Durham is still protecting OPG for the long haul. It's going to take some time for the in house service to be up and running. You can bet on that in house service also being staffed mostly by ex-DRPS members as they know the entire facility and already have the training.
I'm sure there are lots of people there who have been in NSD for years and have zero interest in returning to the road. Many will probably take a handsome buyout package and turn in their tin for staying on site.

I'm curious as to whether or not the in house security will be allowed to carry firearms off OPG property?

:pistols: Also you can bet on this, we have a mutual defense agreement with the USA. If anything happens at the nuke plant the Americans will be crossing the border. It actually takes half the time for American fighter jets to cross lake Ontario as it does for CF-18's to come from CFB Trenton. I'm not too sure I'd want to be around when the Blackhawk's arrive looking for any movement on the ground. :sniper:

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Bald Man » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:09 am

An officer with us worked at Chalk River. They did carry off site for work related reasons such as transporting certain materials.

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Homer » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:55 pm

Jeff wrote:Not that anyone has said it here, but Durham is still protecting OPG for the long haul. It's going to take some time for the in house service to be up and running. You can bet on that in house service also being staffed mostly by ex-DRPS members as they know the entire facility and already have the training.
I'm sure there are lots of people there who have been in NSD for years and have zero interest in returning to the road. Many will probably take a handsome buyout package and turn in their tin for staying on site.

I'm curious as to whether or not the in house security will be allowed to carry firearms off OPG property?

:pistols: Also you can bet on this, we have a mutual defense agreement with the USA. If anything happens at the nuke plant the Americans will be crossing the border. It actually takes half the time for American fighter jets to cross lake Ontario as it does for CF-18's to come from CFB Trenton. I'm not too sure I'd want to be around when the Blackhawk's arrive looking for any movement on the ground. :sniper:

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As was mentioned earlier (and a matter of public record), the contract with DRPS expires at the end of 2012. After that point, OPG must have its own NRT up and running - one way or another. The new NRT members will be using pretty much the exact same equipment - all of it - as the current DRPS-staffed NRT. The biggest difference is that OPG will need to supply all of the training and directly employ all NRT members. Some of those will be current NRT members, some will be from other police or military organizations and some will be internal applicants from the Nuclear Security Officer ranks (many of whom have police, military or corrections backgrounds). I would not take any bets on what the final makeup will be. I figure that many of the current team members will not want to give up their badge, especially when it will amount to a significant pay cut from what they currently pull in (OPG NRT, after all, will not be eligible for Paid Duty). For those worried about the price of electricity, it will be much more cost-effective for OPG to have their own NRT.
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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Actus Reus » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:06 am

Actually, CF-18's are operationally deployed to Trenton from time to time, especially whenever the North American national security threat level is raised. It takes them something like 12 minutes to be over downtown Toronto, from a cold start.
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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby 48highlander » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:45 am

Jeff wrote:Not that anyone has said it here, but Durham is still protecting OPG for the long haul. It's going to take some time for the in house service to be up and running. You can bet on that in house service also being staffed mostly by ex-DRPS members as they know the entire facility and already have the training.
I'm sure there are lots of people there who have been in NSD for years and have zero interest in returning to the road. Many will probably take a handsome buyout package and turn in their tin for staying on site.

I'm curious as to whether or not the in house security will be allowed to carry firearms off OPG property?

:pistols: Also you can bet on this, we have a mutual defense agreement with the USA. If anything happens at the nuke plant the Americans will be crossing the border. It actually takes half the time for American fighter jets to cross lake Ontario as it does for CF-18's to come from CFB Trenton. I'm not too sure I'd want to be around when the Blackhawk's arrive looking for any movement on the ground. :sniper:

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Actus Reus » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:23 pm

Perhaps when there's a security threat. But they're based out of Bagotville and Cold Lake. I'm pretty confident of that.....seeing as I was in the army.


Yes, they're based out of Bagotville and Cold Lake, but they still get deployed to Trenton, Comox, Whitehorse, Iqaluit, etc. from time to time. I'm pretty confident of that...seeing as how I sat in one at Trenton a few years ago.

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Postby Alberta Blue » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:50 pm

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Grassynarrows » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:44 am

those jobs sound like a good go.
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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Canadian Blue » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:15 am

I worked at Cold Lake during Ex Maple Flag and the only two places with CF-18's.

As for Black Hawks coming to Canada and mowing down people, I don't think it'll ever happen. That has international incident written all over it.

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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Actus Reus » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:14 pm

ok, let's clear this up once and for all. Here is an excerpt from a government document dealing with operations at CFB Trenton:

8 Wing Trenton's mission support activity involves providing flexible airlift forces and training operations, Search and Rescue operations, and CF18 Quick Reaction Alert deployments. The Airlift Capability Project (ACP) - Strategic, Tactical, and Fixed Wing Search and Rescue - will be based out of 8 Wing Trenton, Ontario.


http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/Viewer_e.cfm?CEAR_ID=38021&ForceNOC=Y

So, yes, you will see CF18's operational at CFB Trenton (and other airstrips) whenever the need for a combat air patrol exists (eg, 9/11, Olympics, SuperBowl in Detroit, etc)
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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby seabas » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:58 pm

Actus Reus wrote:ok, let's clear this up once and for all. Here is an excerpt from a government document dealing with operations at CFB Trenton:

8 Wing Trenton's mission support activity involves providing flexible airlift forces and training operations, Search and Rescue operations, and CF18 Quick Reaction Alert deployments. The Airlift Capability Project (ACP) - Strategic, Tactical, and Fixed Wing Search and Rescue - will be based out of 8 Wing Trenton, Ontario.


http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/Viewer_e.cfm?CEAR_ID=38021&ForceNOC=Y

So, yes, you will see CF18's operational at CFB Trenton (and other airstrips) whenever the need for a combat air patrol exists (eg, 9/11, Olympics, SuperBowl in Detroit, etc)


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Re: OPG Security Getting Armed???

Postby Actus Reus » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:36 pm

Don't blame me, blame OPPAUx and his picture of the pretty fighter plane....nothing derails a thread faster than posting a picture of a hottie or a cool toy, or (preferably) both.
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