9 mm. - 40 or 45?

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Re: 9 mm. - 40 or 45?

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Re: 9 mm. - 40 or 45?

Postby Gard » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:42 pm

Anyone else find it odd how Wayne always jumps into any thread which even remotely mentions manlove, even in jest?

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Re: 9 mm. - 40 or 45?

Postby veritas_aequitas » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:41 pm

Not really. He's in every thread.

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Re: 9 mm. - 40 or 45?

Postby Grassynarrows » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:33 pm

Thunder Bay just went to 9mm Glocks for everyone. ETU had them for years.
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Re: 9 mm. - 40 or 45?

Postby jaycee » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:52 pm

For my money I'd stick with the 9; I'd rather have the magazine capacity than the larger diameter round. Handguns aren't exactly known for impressive stopping power whether they have a 4 in front of them or not. Last time I checked, the 125 gr 357 was still the best all time stopper from the police side, and it never seemed to suffer from the lack of a 4 in front of it. With certain rounds like Winchester's Ranger 127gr +P+, or some of Cor-Bon's offerings, the 9 has for all intents and purposes been transformed into a 357; add a large magazine capacity and you have the best of both worlds. Ask any trauma surgeon if he'd rather work on someone with one large hole or several slightly smaller ones - of the several that I've asked, all replied to the former.

I've always been suspect of 147 gr jhp's; yes they can and do work, but velocity seems to do better work than mass. The main determining factor that one Canadian federal law enforcement agency who shall remain un-named insists on the 147 gr jhp is for use in the MP5-SD, the silenced version of the MP5; to get more effective sound suppression, even though that agency has never had a single shooting with the MP5-SD. I find it incredulous that the officer on the street is saddled with a potentially less effective ammunition for the sake of maybe some day maybe using a silenced MP5 to maybe shoot someone; but probably not. Yes, I understand the simplified logistics of only having only one type of ammunition, but for how often it's actually used, IMHO it makes more sense to keep a small batch of 147gr on hand for the MP5-SD and use THE most effective ammunition on the street.

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Re: 9 mm. - 40 or 45?

Postby Greg W » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:00 pm

When our Dept. was evaluating a cartridge for our new P226's we tested 9mm, .40 S&W, and .357 sig. We chose the 40 over the 9mm because of its superior ballistics. The .357 sig was more capable in terms of penetration, but uncomfortable to shoot over a long period of time. (muzzle blast) We thought that some of our officers might not be comfortable with it.
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