What sidearms are used in your Police Service

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What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Solutions » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:31 pm

Sharing of this info, and the good bad and ugly of the products we are using could be helpful.

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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Dave Brown » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:15 pm

Much better to ask this question in the private forums. Nothing secret about it as it is public knowledge, and Blue Line does Cross-Canada surveys every few years, but actual officers would be better placed to give you the good and the bad.

In summary, from my last survey in the cover story of December 2017, 75% of all agencies in Canada issue the Glock pistol, and 80% of all agencies in Canada use the 9mm Luger cartridge.

Contrast that with 2003, when Glock had 34% of the market; Sig 24%; Beretta 24% and S&W 15%. In 2003, it was an even split between .40 S&W and 9mm Luger.

In short, Beretta has virtually disappeared from the market in North America; only issued to one agency in Canada. Market share of Sig has dropped and Glock is now issued by the majority of agencies across North America. Market share of S&W has dropped significantly in Canada but the new M&P is issued to quite a few agencies in the U.S.

The .40 S&W cartridge has fallen out of favour immensely. With the new bullet designs for law enforcement, downrange and terminal ballistics are almost as good, and the .40 is very very hard on firearms.

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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Solutions » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Thanks Dave, I see you are Admin for this post, how do I delete this post then? You and I worked together about 25 years ago running the Thunderbird challenge! Long time ago!

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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Dave Brown » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:53 pm

Wow, that was a long time ago. I still remember those days, and I did an article on the Thunderbird Challenge in Blue Line, using a bit of a humorous nod to the age-old debate as to whether Military Police were Capital M, small p, or vice versa. I called it, "Capital M; Capital P." I have always had a lifelong admiration for the work of the Military Police around the world.

I will leave the thread active in here and see what responses we get. I try to stay pretty close to what everyone is using, and why. I know that after that 2018 survey, even more agencies switched to 9mm from .40, and several more have plans to do so in the future. In my opinion, the .40 was a great cartridge for its time, but the 9mm has several advantages over the .40 that outweighs its slightly better terminal performance. Here in Winnipeg, they are one of the last agencies to still hang on to the .40, and I don't know for how long. (I have an interesting story I can share with you privately some day as to why even a few WPS members are not a fan of the .40.)

Plus, if you remember from the Thunderbird Challenge days, I was all about shot placement. Shot placement and shot penetration (to FBI minimum specs) is what has a better chance of stopping a deadly threat.

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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Pete Broccolo » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:43 am

"Guns"? You mean, "elbow-rests", yes?
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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Wingman19 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:47 pm

Pete Broccolo wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:43 am
"Guns"? You mean, "elbow-rests", yes?
Hey Pete, Does the RCMP allow you to change your service weapon? From a S/W to a Glock 17?

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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Pete Broccolo » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:28 pm

Wingman19 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:47 pm
Pete Broccolo wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:43 am
"Guns"? You mean, "elbow-rests", yes?
Hey Pete, Does the RCMP allow you to change your service weapon? From a S/W to a Glock 17?

Thanks.
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Re: What sidearms are used in your Police Service

Postby Wingman19 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:22 pm

Pete Broccolo wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:28 pm
Wingman19 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:47 pm
Pete Broccolo wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:43 am
"Guns"? You mean, "elbow-rests", yes?
Hey Pete, Does the RCMP allow you to change your service weapon? From a S/W to a Glock 17?

Thanks.
No change allowed at all.
*cries in Austrian*
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PEP rec: :swords:
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