Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Discuss the educational and physical requirements, testing process and background phase involved in the hiring process. Includes the experiences and advice of current and past applicants. All agency application related questions belong here.
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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby PolarisLTZ » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:41 pm

In on subtle brag thread, lol.

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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby noanykey » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:49 pm

EngineerMaybe wrote:
Pete Broccolo wrote:If you were offended by Proteus, you are REALLY going to have a tough time in these threads...let alone if you get into ANY Law Enforcement or Police Service.
If you like Calgary, try for Calgary PS, but don't bother applying to the RCMP with the hope of ending up there.
However, try harder to mine these threads for info.


It is not an argument about being offended, rather it is about standing up for myself.

I will consider the Calgary Police Service. Thanks for the advice.

How much of a disadvantage would it be to be considered as I am currently a resident of Toronto.

I am willing to relocate if I am selected.



I've talked to recruiters in other Provinces. It's not a disadvantage if you're a quality candidate wanting to relocate.
Speak to recruiters at CPS, they're going to be brutally honest as well.
But no matter what they say, you'll never know until you try! Just make sure you take their criticisms better than you take the people here who are helping.

Additionally,
Alberta has their own written exams and own form of the POPAT called the A-PREP.. You may have to fly over a few times. If that's the case, all expenses are on you.
It's all on their website.

Please note, I am not a Police Officer, but I have done research; 90% of it here. I am also looking at agencies and getting ready to apply. Take my opinion however you want.
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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby John014 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:50 pm

Consider your application a wheelbarrow.

Every experience you have is a brick.

Everything you lack takes a brick out.

Try to have as many bricks as you can to be the most competitive.

Once in use any experiences you have to your advantage to assist you in reaching your goals.

This advice is for all applicants not just the OP.

And yes I am a police officer but not a recruiter.
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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby allbrancereal » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:48 am

Further to my last post, if you are considering an Albertan police service, you can send me a PM with your questions. I was an out of province applicant and I don't mind answering any questions you may have directly.

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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby GPZ » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:08 pm

EngineerMaybe wrote:
GPZ wrote:Here's some brutal honesty as you requested:

Maybe do some research into what police officers actually do, then ask yourself just how valuable a background in chemical engineering would be.


I have and have seen that an individual who has an engineering degree can become a specialist/technician in the "Firearms" department as seen in the following link at the RCMP: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/fsis-ssji/car ... ni-eng.htm


One click more and you'd see that those jobs are for civilian members of the RCMP.

EngineerMaybe wrote:I am not sure why you believe that I have not researched anything prior to this post. The point of the post was to hear from fortunate candidates with similar backgrounds to share their experience recently.


See above.

GPZ wrote:And stating that "I do not think affirmative action is fair", while hoping that you'll have an edge because of your "minority/Muslim status" makes you a hypocrite. Think about that.


EngineerMaybe wrote:No it does not because regardless if I hope it will give me an edge or not, it will take into effect because of its existence. No where in my original post did "I wish for it to give me an edge". I simply wanted to get a better understanding to calculate my odds. Only a few members addressed this.


You asked "Would my minority/Muslim status give me an edge. (I do not believe affirmative action is fair, but I'll use it if I can :boxer: )"

so you are wanting to know if you'll have an edge, and stating you'll use it if you can, but also saying you don't believe it's fair. You're a hypocrite.

GPZ wrote: But 6'1" sounds just right. And your super-human hearing will be a real bonus.


EngineerMaybe wrote:I mentioned these traits above to see if it will also give me an edge and if someone could explain that based off their experience. If you feel that I come off as someone who believes I am superior to others, that is of your own fault.


You come off as someone who hasn't got a clue but is getting all whiny because the "brutal honesty" you asked for isn't what you want to hear.

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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby TR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:23 am

We hire people with PhDs. Your professional degree will be attractive, but won't make or break your application. Anyone who says education doesn't matter is just plain wrong. We expect today's applicants to be well rounded, including well educated. Lower educated applicants get hired, and often do well, but the reality is that higher education is more attractive.

As for being offended, I don't appreciate the offensive comments on this website either. Police officers are expected to treat each other and members of the public with respect. Saying "if you get offended, this isn't the job for you" is both disrespectful and short-sighted. There are a lot of people here that say things behind their anonymous Blueline user names and they talk tough, but really they get just as or even more offended if you challenge them directly. It's best to just ignore the childish stuff.

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Postby Pete Broccolo » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:48 am

You might...but you also might not, get acepted by the RCMP as a Cadet at Depot.

If you DO get to Depot, you have 6 months to prove to the training staff that you are good enough to graduate.
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IF you make it to graduation, you have to hope you have proved to the training staff that you are good enough to be accepted as a Regular Member.

IF SO, you would HAVE TO accept, and move to your first posting, no matter where it is...and stay the as long as you are told to...then accept ALL subsequent transfers and duties thereafter.

Your degree SHOULD help you in your studies while at, and your effort spent on attaining said degree should help you in your determination to carry on when slogging gets tough around, Depot...but it will mean little as to where you get sent to that first posting. You had BETTER like a place like Naicam, Gull Lake, Carnduff or Onion Lake SK...or Three Hills, Rocky Mountain House or Ponoka AB...or MAYBE somewhere in the Lower Mainland BC.

SOME DAY, down the road, if you get chances to specialize, you MAY be able to pick and choose what you want to do, and where you will go...but MOST LIKELY you WILL be dealing with speeding tickets, barking dogs, long-term domestic disputes, checking out the Gooseberry Festival dance, and freezing off your tushie while investigating a fatal collision in the middle of nowhere.

And, while MOST of Canada DOES love us, you WILL be treated badly verbally by a number of "clients" over your General Duty career...so you may as well start getting a thicker skin NOW!
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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby John014 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:22 am

Pete Broccolo wrote:You might...but you also might not, get acepted by the RCMP as a Cadet at Depot.

If you DO get to Depot, you have 6 months to prove to the training staff that you are good enough to graduate.
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IF you make it to graduation, you have to hope you have proved to the training staff that you are good enough to be accepted as a Regular Member.

IF SO, you would HAVE TO accept, and move to your first posting, no matter where it is...and stay the as long as you are told to...then accept ALL subsequent transfers and duties thereafter.

Your degree SHOULD help you in your studies while at, and your effort spent on attaining said degree should help you in your determination to carry on when slogging gets tough around, Depot...but it will mean little as to where you get sent to that first posting. You had BETTER like a place like Naicam, Gull Lake, Carnduff or Onion Lake SK...or Three Hills, Rocky Mountain House or Ponoka AB...or MAYBE somewhere in the Lower Mainland BC.

SOME DAY, down the road, if you get chances to specialize, you MAY be able to pick and choose what you want to do, and where you will go...but MOST LIKELY you WILL be dealing with speeding tickets, barking dogs, long-term domestic disputes, checking out the Gooseberry Festival dance, and freezing off your tushie while investigating a fatal collision in the middle of nowhere.

And, while MOST of Canada DOES love us, you WILL be treated badly verbally by a number of "clients" over your General Duty career...so you may as well start getting a thicker skin NOW!



You need to sticky this reply as it would answer 75% of RCMP applicant questions.
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Postby GoodWitness » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:00 pm

TR wrote:We hire people with PhDs. Your professional degree will be attractive, but won't make or break your application. Anyone who says education doesn't matter is just plain wrong. We expect today's applicants to be well rounded, including well educated. Lower educated applicants get hired, and often do well, but the reality is that higher education is more attractive.

As for being offended, I don't appreciate the offensive comments on this website either. Police officers are expected to treat each other and members of the public with respect. Saying "if you get offended, this isn't the job for you" is both disrespectful and short-sighted. There are a lot of people here that say things behind their anonymous Blueline user names and they talk tough, but really they get just as or even more offended if you challenge them directly. It's best to just ignore the childish stuff.


Whenever I read snarky comments on this forum I just consider the source. 98% of the disrespectful, "I know how it is" comments come from applicants, often quite recent forum members but also from the ones who seem to be permanent applicants.

(Just my civilian, decidedly non-applicant observations. I really need a hobby.)

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Postby mack_silent » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:13 pm

Applicant, currently serving officer, or elsewise... Ideally everyone should attempt to be respectful to one another.
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Postby Shawshank » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:42 am

Pete Broccolo wrote:You might...but you also might not, get acepted by the RCMP as a Cadet at Depot.

If you DO get to Depot, you have 6 months to prove to the training staff that you are good enough to graduate.
.
IF you make it to graduation, you have to hope you have proved to the training staff that you are good enough to be accepted as a Regular Member.

IF SO, you would HAVE TO accept, and move to your first posting, no matter where it is...and stay the as long as you are told to...then accept ALL subsequent transfers and duties thereafter.

Your degree SHOULD help you in your studies while at, and your effort spent on attaining said degree should help you in your determination to carry on when slogging gets tough around, Depot...but it will mean little as to where you get sent to that first posting. You had BETTER like a place like Naicam, Gull Lake, Carnduff or Onion Lake SK...or Three Hills, Rocky Mountain House or Ponoka AB...or MAYBE somewhere in the Lower Mainland BC.

SOME DAY, down the road, if you get chances to specialize, you MAY be able to pick and choose what you want to do, and where you will go...but MOST LIKELY you WILL be dealing with speeding tickets, barking dogs, long-term domestic disputes, checking out the Gooseberry Festival dance, and freezing off your tushie while investigating a fatal collision in the middle of nowhere.

And, while MOST of Canada DOES love us, you WILL be treated badly verbally by a number of "clients" over your General Duty career...so you may as well start getting a thicker skin NOW!


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That being said, three hills is way too lively. I'll be requesting two hills.
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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby Pete Broccolo » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:25 pm

Shawshank wrote:
Pete Broccolo wrote:You might...but you also might not, get acepted by the RCMP as a Cadet at Depot.

If you DO get to Depot, you have 6 months to prove to the training staff that you are good enough to graduate.
.
IF you make it to graduation, you have to hope you have proved to the training staff that you are good enough to be accepted as a Regular Member.

IF SO, you would HAVE TO accept, and move to your first posting, no matter where it is...and stay the as long as you are told to...then accept ALL subsequent transfers and duties thereafter.

Your degree SHOULD help you in your studies while at, and your effort spent on attaining said degree should help you in your determination to carry on when slogging gets tough around, Depot...but it will mean little as to where you get sent to that first posting. You had BETTER like a place like Naicam, Gull Lake, Carnduff or Onion Lake SK...or Three Hills, Rocky Mountain House or Ponoka AB...or MAYBE somewhere in the Lower Mainland BC.

SOME DAY, down the road, if you get chances to specialize, you MAY be able to pick and choose what you want to do, and where you will go...but MOST LIKELY you WILL be dealing with speeding tickets, barking dogs, long-term domestic disputes, checking out the Gooseberry Festival dance, and freezing off your tushie while investigating a fatal collision in the middle of nowhere.

And, while MOST of Canada DOES love us, you WILL be treated badly verbally by a number of "clients" over your General Duty career...so you may as well start getting a thicker skin NOW!


I used to think you just made up names for towns/villages. But I've learned.


That being said, three hills is way too lively. I'll be requesting two hills.

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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby azims » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:28 am

EngineerMaybe wrote:Hello All

I am studying at a Canadian University to become a Chemical Engineer. I will be graduating in May 2016 and to be quite frank, I cannot see myself doing engineering work post graduation.

I have 8 months experience in a lab, 12 months as a project manager for an oil company and 8 months as a in-field engineering assistant for the same company. These were all internships.

My question is, would my application score higher because of my engineering education?
Could this degree help me propel far in my potential future Police career? Will it help me specialize in anything.
I am a Toronto Resident and am confused as to join the Toronto Police Force, OPP or the RCMP. (I would love to live in Calgary)
Would my minority/Muslim status give me an edge. (I do not believe affirmative action is fair, but I'll use it if I can :boxer: )

I have been athletic all my life and I really do not believe the physical requirements would bother me.
I have a full G license with a spotless drivers abstract and have been driving for 6 years. (1 Parking ticket 3 years ago if it counts).
I have no criminal record.
I do not even drink or smoke.
I do crazy things like skydiving, ice climbing, cave exploring etc.
My eyesight is slightly lower than average. ( I can drive just fine without glasses at all times of the day)
My hearing is significantly higher than average.
I am 6 foot 1 if that even matters.

Please be brutally honest.

Regards,

EngineerMaybe

You mentioned in one of your replies about your 'achievements' and frankly speaking I see none. You wanted people to give you an honest advice and when people did so and some of the responses weren't to your liking, you got all defensive. No one here can give you a definitive answer on what it takes to get hired or have an edge over others. Apply and find out and let the RECRUITERS decide whether or not you stand a chance.

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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby DonutMan » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:02 pm

People having internships are a dime a dozen these days. It's not difficult to get an internship. You could likely walk up the street, pop into the closest business and secure an internship. Chances are you'll get one eventually especially if you're wanting an unpaid internship.

It's also not difficult to get a degree. Colleges and universities practically accept anyone these days and if you hand in all your coursework, you'll likely pass too. Most of the people I saw drop out of university did so because they didn't do the work or wasn't motivated. I don't see having an engineering degree giving you an edge unless you're applying for a civilian specialist position that specifically requires an engineering degree. There's no requirement to posses a degree to join the RCMP. Since you will have a degree, you get to skip the written entry test which is definitely handy.

Like azims, I'm not seeing any achievements. You're an average candidate. Many people have clean drivers licenses, are post-secondary educated, are fit enough to pass PARE and are fairly active in sports or outdoors activity. There is nothing you have mentioned that sets you apart from those other candidates with the exact same qualifications.

You should ask yourself.... why should the RCMP hire YOU? What sets YOU apart from other candidates? I mean, I don't see any volunteer experience, any community involvement, any hobby associations etc on your first post. I'm not a recruiter so I can only speculate here but I think a recruiter would rather hire an all-rounded individual with all your qualifications plus other qualifications (community involvement, volunteering, hobby associations etc) than someone who kept his nose clean and got a degree. I mean, what life experience do you have? Have you even lived away from home where you've had to be self-reliant? Do you know what it's like to live in the real world? To struggle?

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Re: Engineering Degree to RCMP Applicant (or others)

Postby EngineerMaybe » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:51 pm

Thankyou everyone for your replies.

I will try to look more attractive following graduation and will apply to both civilian and LE jobs.
In terms of volunteering, what really attracts recruiters eyes?
At the moment, I only have volunteer hours from coaching children play soccer and teaching them how to swim 3 years back.
I plan on volunteering at retirement homes in addition to always volunteering at my local mosque.

One disadvantage I have at the moment is my groin injury (dead-lifting accident) which will require surgery following graduation. I am hopeful I will return to athletics 100%.

With regards to relocation issues, I am fine with that. I have lived in the middle of nowhere a couple of times for my intership placements, like North Battleford, SK. I do understand the issues to a certain degree and appreciate the advice.

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