Ask A BC Sheriff

Discuss the educational and physical requirements, testing process and background phase involved in the hiring process. Includes the experiences and advice of current and past applicants. All agency application related questions belong here.

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Sweet n Sauer » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:39 pm

I agree with BS1991, I left Sheriffs for Policing as well and for the same reasons as many others. The job of Sheriffs just wasn’t satisfying enough to stay for the full career. The bread and butter of Sheriffs is security of the courthouse and walking around inside can become very mundane. While sitting in court you get a lot of time to think to yourself, so when I realized that I couldn’t do it for another 30 more years, I knew it was time to move on.

The only time you are on the road is to escort prisoners from one location to another or to serve documents or civil warrants for a couple of hours when you’re free from court. If you choose to stick around with Sheriffs, you might get a shot at trying out for the Protective Intelligence position which comes up every couple of years or training section but there aren’t many other options available. The so called “Traffic Section” and serving “Criminal Warrants” like Alberta is highly unlikely to happen and you'll learn quickly to believe it when you see it.

Out of all the boring stuff, the most interesting thing to do was probably serving documents and warrants (which isn’t that exciting either). You’ll meet plenty of great Sheriffs throughout your time but if your desire is to get into police work then don’t hold back.

The Sheriff’s Academy is great, but you get trained really high to do very little. For me, the training helped at the Police Academy with things like searching, cuffing and shooting, which allowed me to focus on the more complicated stuff in training.

Not here to bash the Sheriffs in any way, just here to explain the reality of it and hope this helps. Sheriffs have a lot of potential to grow into a useful organization but its just too bad management or government won’t ever act on it. Just got tired of the dangling carrot and the outdated mentality that things should remain the same as they were in the 90’s (including pay). I feel for the leaders in the department who fight hard for change and remain professional but how much longer until they throw in the towel and move on?
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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Highland2012 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:50 pm

I too, applied to the sheriffs and thought it would be a little more similar to police work then what it is... I mean with all the TV shows and Books, A Deputy Sheriff right? Seems like a legit law enforcement job! The reality of Sheriff work is that it is Court Security, and Prisoner transport like the previous poster stated. That's 99% of what you will do, and ever do going in this career. The closest thing I would argue to policing as a Sheriff would be manning a search gate. You have full powers of arrest on the court house grounds, and if you catch somebody with drugs you can arrest. Having said that, Sheriffs are told CONSTATLY they are not police and should not act like them, given our neutral position within the legal system. What is kind of odd however, is that when the Wildfire occurred in Williams Lake last year, Sheriffs were assigned to patrol with the RCMP and help keep the peace in the community, and prevent looters, crime, ect. Additionally same thing happened in the Olympics.

On a positive note sheriff's are going get a 40 hour work week, they are getting a raise and a 3 grid increase. So the pay, which I believe right now is about 57k will be jumping to about 70? correct me if i'm wrong. No shift work, and easy working conditions (For the most part). Also PPT pool I hear has been eliminated, so you don't have to waste your time floating around anymore.. Once you finish at the academy you get a fulltime post.

As for me, over a third of my SRT class has gone into policing and its was relatively recent. I myself am in the application for 2 agencies.

Feel free to hit me up with any other questions you might have.

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Rareform » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:02 am

The Sheriffs have some interesting things — protective intelligence and risk assessment services, carbine unit, document serving, warrant apprehension, close protection, high risk escorts, jury management and protection, emergency deployments, JIBC instructor positions, etc.

But, most Sheriffs spend their time doing transport and court security. There aren’t very many full-time positions that are specialized.

As for wage, it’s true. Just like BC Corrections, the Sheriffs are getting a 3 grid raise from Grid 18 to Grid 21. There will also be a 7.75% raise. It’s not right away, but will be over the course of 3 years with the first Grid up and wage increases starting this year. February 3 (1.75%) and April 1 (2%) are the first two raises, with the first Grid increase to Grid 19 in April. The 40 hour work week, well... I hear a lot of griping about that.

While this is good, as previously stated, the Sheriff wages should not have stagnated like they did and should have instead, kept up with the times.
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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Sweet n Sauer » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:15 am

Although the sections named do sound intriguing, they are nowhere near as utilized as they should be.

- Protective Intelligence is for one fulltime designated officer who looks after usually multiple court locations
- There is no specific unit for Carbines or Close Protection, just a few trained sheriffs that are rarely ever deployed due to money, manpower and politics
- There was a documents and warrants (civil only) section previously created but with the manpower issues, it is currently inactive
- High risk escorts is probably the most fun you'll have on a course and on actual operations working in a teamwork environment. Those with Supreme Court postings get to do most of these escorts and also get to do jury management.

It's a very interesting mindset sheriffs have when it comes to relating with police. At one end, Sheriffs make sure deputies understand they aren't police officers and shouldn't act like them (ex. Intervening with crim code offences in the community), but on the other hand, have black and white vehicles, full use of force equipment and wear dark blue uniforms that any regular citizen could easily mistake for police. There is a lack of standardization and this grey area of what to do has caused a confusion throughout the entire department. This to me is an officer safety issue that needs to be addressed.
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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby BS1991 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:07 pm

^ Pretty much what Sweet n Sauer said. That's what the recruiting team/frontline sheriffs tell applicants to make the job seem better than what it actually is to entice people to apply (I was guilty of this too). But, you'll see very quickly once completing training and going to your office that it's not the case. These positions very rarely every come up and really aren't as great as what you would have imagined it to be.

POI, there's only a handful full-time sheriffs in the province that do this and really all you do is threat assessments for upcoming court appearances. Majority are just frontline Sheriffs who do it part-time while doing other frontline related duties (escorts, court ect). It does look good on the resume though.

Carbine isn't a unit, it's a few trained sheriffs who've completed the course and are utilized when needed, which again is pretty rare.

There isn't a warrant apprehension/documents team (as far as I've heard), any Sheriff can go out and do these duties when they are able, which doesn't happen every day either. Even if there was, it's civil/family related files, nothing criminal. You're not gonna be tracking any big bad gangsters down.

Jury management and protection is nothing special and boring af.

Out of all the units I'd say high risk escorts is the best, and can happen fairly often (depending on where you are, generally more common in the LMD).

JIBC instuctors positions don't come up often and I've found to be a bit of an all boys club, people get picked based on how well known they are, popular ect, which they tend to be the poster boys for the Sheriffs. There are some good instructors there though.

The Sheriffs can be a great career, depending what you want and really does have a good work life balance. It can also be super boring. If you're looking to get into policing, I'd argue that the Sheriffs is one of the best avenues to make the jump. It definitely helped me during training at Depot.

Again, not trying to bash the Sheriffs but create awareness to applicants.
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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Danjay21 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 pm

Hello all! Appreciate everyone that contributed answers and shared information. I understand that the job may not be as glamorous and on the boring side, however it's a career I have always been interested in and wanted to do. Is there anyone I can get in contact with so ask some questions? For me the few things I need to find out are: 1. Training wage for 14 weeks of training, after graduation does that go to the Dep Sheriff rate? Or are you stuck with recruit wage for a certain amount of time? 2. Also need to know how much the actual take home is for training wage and dep sheriff wage. That would help me so I can have actual numbers to play with when planning for my finances/budgeting as leaving my current career it would be big pay cut but steady mon to fri shifts are better than my weekly 3 shift rotations. 3. When you first start I understand you start at the courts, what are the start times for courts? 4. How much vacation weeks when you start and what does it top off at?

Appreciate you guys taking the time to read my questions and posting a reply, I'm sure I will have more questions but these are the most pressing to me at the moment. Thanks all!

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Dorydory » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:14 am

shoot me a pm for questions

training wage is like $22 an hour, 7 hour days at the JI

upon graduation you go up to $28/hour

in April there is going to be a bump.. a significant bump i think

take home is around 1300-1400 after tax on the job. training was like 1050-1100?

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Sweet n Sauer » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:12 am

Danjay21, hopefully you aren't mistaking our shared experience to discourage you from joining. If sheriff work is what you've always wanted to do, then I wish you all the best. I'm directing my posts at those who have policing goals and are thinking about making a stop at sheriffs.

If you're looking for specifics on pay, just search "BCGEU salary grids" and it will break down each step for you within the grid. Over the course of 3 years, Sheriffs pay will be increasing to Grid 21. The 40 hour work week is still being negotiated and isn't a sure thing yet so until then its a 7 hour day/35 hour week.

Depending on which location you are at will determine your start times. Generally it will be anywhere from 530am to latest start at 2pm. Early shifts are for picking up the overnight toads or the ones at correctional centers. Middle of the day usually spent at court and end of late shifts are for returning the prisoners back.

If you have more questions, I suggest you check out the FAQ page of the BC Sheriff careers page, its a lot more detailed than it used to be.
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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Dorydory » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:05 am

For some, being a sheriff will scratch their law enforcement itch. For others itll just be the start

The bcgeu website is a bit misleading as it doesn't include the TMA (temporary market adjustment) unless I'm mistaken.

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Thefairburn » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:37 pm

Thank you for all the honest replies. I was honestly under the impression Sheriffs were more alike Police Officers than they are, and I think its easy to think that given their uniforms and marked vehicles, especially the new black & whites.

I currently work in Security and had to transfer to mobile division, driving the almighty Prius to alarms and checking sites and such because walking around the same mall was going to drive me nuts.

On a side note, if any of you reading this are at Victoira Law Courts, STOP. SETTING. THE. GOD. DAMN. ALARM. OFF. WHEN. YOU. ARRIVE. FOR. SHIFT. PLEASE. Thank you! :D

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Dorydory » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:55 pm

Some alarms go off the second we walk in. Nothing we can do lol

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Danjay21 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:58 pm

Sweet n Sauer wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:12 am
Danjay21, hopefully you aren't mistaking our shared experience to discourage you from joining. If sheriff work is what you've always wanted to do, then I wish you all the best. I'm directing my posts at those who have policing goals and are thinking about making a stop at sheriffs.

If you're looking for specifics on pay, just search "BCGEU salary grids" and it will break down each step for you within the grid. Over the course of 3 years, Sheriffs pay will be increasing to Grid 21. The 40 hour work week is still being negotiated and isn't a sure thing yet so until then its a 7 hour day/35 hour week.

Depending on which location you are at will determine your start times. Generally it will be anywhere from 530am to latest start at 2pm. Early shifts are for picking up the overnight toads or the ones at correctional centers. Middle of the day usually spent at court and end of late shifts are for returning the prisoners back.

If you have more questions, I suggest you check out the FAQ page of the BC Sheriff careers page, its a lot more detailed than it used to be.
It was good to hear from people who work there and have worked there. For me the last stop is Sheriffs. The dream of wanting to be a Police Officer ended for me several years ago. I been doing shift work all my life and it is definelty tough on the body. Sheriffs have always been an interesting thing for me, I guess I'm ok with boring hahaha, but it's also the outfit that has more steady shifts, able to build a nice routine.

I really appreciate everyone's honesty and everyone's time to post answers! Thanks all!!

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby John014 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:30 am

Thefairburn wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:37 pm

On a side note, if any of you reading this are at Victoira Law Courts, STOP. SETTING. THE. GOD. DAMN. ALARM. OFF. WHEN. YOU. ARRIVE. FOR. SHIFT. PLEASE. Thank you! :D
You know that is what keeps you employed right? You should be happy they set off the alarms.
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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Thefairburn » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:59 am

John014 wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:30 am
You know that is what keeps you employed right? You should be happy they set off the alarms.
Oh trust me, I love an alarm as much as the next guy, but of course it has to go off in the morning when Im trying to do my unlocks and morning rounds, and getting 5 other alarms simultaneously, not at 1am when I need something to do to avoid falling asleep at the wheel haha!

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Re: Ask A BC Sheriff

Postby Rareform » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:56 pm

Beggers can’t be choosers.
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