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Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:06 pm
by SupahDuck
Striker wrote:wow..that is one of the most articulate post's I've ever read about the uniqueness of the fed system. For an IT geek...you're gonna make a great screw! :drinking:
:smirk:


Heh, that's because I'm well past jaded and cynical, and only approaching the outer edges of bitter and grumpy. Hell, I've only got four years in, so please (this is directed at the new recruits) don't take my word for it.....

I'm just sharing what I've seen so far in my limited career..... and what I've learned from the far more experienced officers that I've had the honor to work with....

KP is a unique beast, and we get to deal with a lot of stuff, but it's been way too quiet, for way too long...... and that kind of 'quiet' breeds complacency in the experienced staff, and breeds overconfidence in the new staff.

I'm just waiting for the day that thing go south, and go south quickly....... it'll be a wake-up call for sure, for all of us, but that's just what we need. My prayer is that no-one gets hurt in the process.

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:36 pm
by FedCO
SupahDuck wrote:
Striker wrote:wow..that is one of the most articulate post's I've ever read about the uniqueness of the fed system. For an IT geek...you're gonna make a great screw! :drinking:
:smirk:


Heh, that's because I'm well past jaded and cynical, and only approaching the outer edges of bitter and grumpy. Hell, I've only got four years in, so please (this is directed at the new recruits) don't take my word for it.....

I'm just sharing what I've seen so far in my limited career..... and what I've learned from the far more experienced officers that I've had the honor to work with....

KP is a unique beast, and we get to deal with a lot of stuff, but it's been way too quiet, for way too long...... and that kind of 'quiet' breeds complacency in the experienced staff, and breeds overconfidence in the new staff.

I'm just waiting for the day that thing go south, and go south quickly....... it'll be a wake-up call for sure, for all of us, but that's just what we need. My prayer is that no-one gets hurt in the process.


And in my opinion I think that day may be soon upon us. Now I have less time in then Supah, but I feel something is coming. Its not only the amount of UOF reports coming through, you can just see it and feel the vibe through the joint. One of these days its coming down hard, and I hope everyone is ready.

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:02 am
by smarshall

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:08 am
by SupahDuck
FedCO wrote:In my opinion I think that day may be soon upon us. Now I have less time in then Supah, but I feel something is coming. Its not only the amount of UOF reports coming through, you can just see it and feel the vibe through the joint. One of these days its coming down hard, and I hope everyone is ready.


Those Bore Thunders our ERT used in the yard last week were just the beginning. There's a power struggle going on, much of it racially motivated, and that's *ALWAYS* a bad recipe.

Another thing that I noticed personally, when putting out the yard last week: a lot of inmates were mentioning / commenting on the 9 cage officer with their 9mm AR-15 as they walked past, with him in the cage overhead..... "Oh isn't he a big man with that big gun" and other stuff like that. And it wasn't just one inmate, it was three or four handfuls, probably 15-20% of the total yard going out.

I'd daresay that the gym shooting at Millhaven has spooked them all..... and it may have upped the ante for future confrontations as well. Hard to say, though, as it's outside my direct experience so far.

You recruits still sure you want to get into this business? :dubious:

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:16 am
by Tsweimer
smarshall wrote:http://www.patrickcrusade.org/PRISON_RIOTS.html Check this out

I'm pleased you posted this. I don't work for corrections but I can see the relevance of the article. It should serve as reminder and give notice to people that being a "guard' isn't just a title to brag about, it's deadly serious work that should never ever be taken for granted. Please excuse me if I'm coming across as preachy, it's not my intent.

One thing I noticed missing in the list of "causes" in the article is the general fitness level of the persons/guards working in the Prisons and so forth. While fitness isn't a cause of rioting, obviously, it will make the difference on who goes home at the end of the day should the SHIT hit the fan.

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:18 am
by SupahDuck
smarshall wrote:http://www.patrickcrusade.org/PRISON_RIOTS.html Check this out


Words of wisdom there, smarshall, thanks for sharing that!

My favourite quote from that article:

Riots are nothing new to corrections and it has become commonplace for many to read about these dramatic and serious events. Of course, as we read the news articles we are saying to ourselves "thank god it was not our facility." The real question should be "Is my facility prepared?" To say that a riot can be the most devastating incident to happen to a facility would be an understatement. This type of event can bring with it millions of dollars of damage, possibility of death and serious injury to inmates and staff alike, lawsuits, and the mental and emotional trauma that can accompany being taken hostage during a riot.


When I read through the checklists, I'm actually scared as to how little we have in place to deal with a large-scale situation, and it's doubly disturbing because of the high percentage of new staff (<1 year in, almost half our roster) that we have at KP.

It's definitely stuff to keep in mind, and most definitely worth sharing with fellow officers.

*cuts and pastes article to send to work*

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:06 am
by smarshall
I have been in the thick of 2 riots in 29 years. I realy would rather not go through another one. But if it comes it comes.
This was the last one i was in. The report left out that the inmates attempted to grab the Unit officers in 3 cel blocks and that 2 of them were trapped in a unit office .:

Prison Riot at Kent - Monday Night

Contributed by megan on Tue, 2003/06/17 - 10:55am

In sections: British Columbia
Security apparatus


One inmate dead in Kent prison riots

AGASSIZ -- The Kent maximum-security institution in Agassiz is in lockdown after overnight riots that left one inmate dead and another seriously injured.

The Correctional Service of Canada says the disturbance began Monday night in a unit housing 92 inmates in three cellblocks.

Officials say the inmates -- apparently under the influence of homemade alcohol -- put on masks and barricaded doors before setting fires and trashing prison property.

Guards fired a number of warning shots and used tear gas to try to quell the riot but inmates responded by trying to breach control posts in the cellblocks.

The emergency response team was eventually deployed to regain control of the prison. Inmates were secured in their cells just before 3 a.m.

Prison officials say a 39-year-old inmate was found beaten and stabbed to death.

A 41-year-old prisoner suffered multiple stab wounds and head injuries in the disturbance. Some staff suffered minor injuries.

Kent security officials, the coroner's office and the RCMP are investigating. The correctional service is also expected to launch a probe into the riot.

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:26 am
by Darkhare
Stix wrote:
Gaoler wrote:i heard the inmates/offenders run the prison in the federdal pen system. is this true? and there are 3 to 4 staff per unit for every 20 inmates. apparently the unit staff members are in an enclosed bubble/office.

if the staff decided to charge an i/m for breach of the csc rules, does the staff get backed up by the supervisors and mgmt?


How long have you been in Corrections? Based on your posts here and in other threads I'm going to go out on a limb and say not long. Try to be a little more mature here. If you want opinions ask them in an adult way, don't just make grand inflammatory statements. I'd also be curious to hear where you got your "information" from.



Actually his posts are extremely accurate from a provincial point of view... The inmates refer to doing time in BC as "Candyland" compared to the USA or back east... They also make it out that the fed system is way better and they prefer doing fed time to doing provincial time. I can see where Gaoler gets his impressions from and it seems like his comments come from general curiosity, not pot stirring.

I also don't see what's "immature" about his posts... He asked what the ratios are like, the staffing practices, and how much support does one get when having to charge an inmate.. Staff coming from a provincial background are going to have a completely different viewpoint on how things work and are going to be curious about staff ratios because it's so different. The provincial system has one staff with no OC walking through and sitting on a unit with 40 or 60 guys. This is why that question about 2 or 3 staff walking tiers comes up, it's something provincial guys look forward to since they've been calling for that for years. 88)

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:38 am
by Darkhare
Striker wrote:As for the comment about cons running the institutions. IF..they wanted to take over a medium or minimum security institution..they could very easily. One of the biggest factors in why they don't is..the fact they can't get organized. Or won't.
I was one of 4 CX in an inside yard one night with approx 250 inmates..with in 5 minutes 1 had his throat cut and 2 more were stabbed.
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WOW.... One intense situation, glad you made it out okay.. Was it a staff who had his throat cut or an inmate? I could only imagine the feeling of being back to back with your partners in a chaotic situation.. That's something that'll stick with me just reading about it, let alone living through it.. Any seriously violent situation I've been involved has always had me on the perimeter looking in... (inmate is getting stabbed, i've always been lucky to be a good 30 feet away behind the inmates watching, not surrounded....*shivers*)

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:49 am
by Stix
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Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:53 am
by Gaoler
How long have you been in Corrections? Based on your posts here and in other threads I'm going to go out on a limb and say not long. Try to be a little more mature here. If you want opinions ask them in an adult way, don't just make grand inflammatory statements. I'd also be curious to hear where you got your "information" from.[/quote]


Actually his posts are extremely accurate from a provincial point of view... The inmates refer to doing time in BC as "Candyland" compared to the USA or back east... They also make it out that the fed system is way better and they prefer doing fed time to doing provincial time. I can see where Gaoler gets his impressions from and it seems like his comments come from general curiosity, not pot stirring.

I also don't see what's "immature" about his posts... He asked what the ratios are like, the staffing practices, and how much support does one get when having to charge an inmate.. Staff coming from a provincial background are going to have a completely different viewpoint on how things work and are going to be curious about staff ratios because it's so different. The provincial system has one staff with no OC walking through and sitting on a unit with 40 or 60 guys. This is why that question about 2 or 3 staff walking tiers comes up, it's something provincial guys look forward to since they've been calling for that for years. 88)[/quote]

I wasn't saying that his questions didn't lack merit, I was just questioning the way he asked them. I'm a Provincial CO myself out East so I think his questions are valid from an applicants perspective, it's just the poor grammar and the way he asked them that bothered me. Anyways his questions were answered and this was just my personal opinion so let's take the information his questions gathered and move on. Cheers.[/quote]

hi stix, yes, i haven't been a prov. co that long......4 years in bc. i got the info from a former coworker who now works for csc. that's what he told me and i was surprised to hear how csc runs things, according to him. i dont think my comments were immature........i was just curious and i wanted to see if anyone could clear things up for me. there's a big difference amongsts the corrections system, on both the fed and prov level, across different provinces. apparently the pacific region's csc centres are "preferred" by inmates because it's more relaxed than out east.

as for "the way i asked them", i was just being direct to the point........probably was taken the wrong way, but it's hard to get the tone of speech online, isn't it?!

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:59 am
by Gaoler
Darkhare wrote:
Stix wrote:
Gaoler wrote:i heard the inmates/offenders run the prison in the federdal pen system. is this true? and there are 3 to 4 staff per unit for every 20 inmates. apparently the unit staff members are in an enclosed bubble/office.

if the staff decided to charge an i/m for breach of the csc rules, does the staff get backed up by the supervisors and mgmt?


How long have you been in Corrections? Based on your posts here and in other threads I'm going to go out on a limb and say not long. Try to be a little more mature here. If you want opinions ask them in an adult way, don't just make grand inflammatory statements. I'd also be curious to hear where you got your "information" from.



Actually his posts are extremely accurate from a provincial point of view... The inmates refer to doing time in BC as "Candyland" compared to the USA or back east... They also make it out that the fed system is way better and they prefer doing fed time to doing provincial time. I can see where Gaoler gets his impressions from and it seems like his comments come from general curiosity, not pot stirring.

I also don't see what's "immature" about his posts... He asked what the ratios are like, the staffing practices, and how much support does one get when having to charge an inmate.. Staff coming from a provincial background are going to have a completely different viewpoint on how things work and are going to be curious about staff ratios because it's so different. The provincial system has one staff with no OC walking through and sitting on a unit with 40 or 60 guys. This is why that question about 2 or 3 staff walking tiers comes up, it's something provincial guys look forward to since they've been calling for that for years. 88)


hi darkhare, thank you. my point exactly. for eveyone else, again, i wasn't trying to stir the pot. i was just asking for clarification. and yes, our system wants more control and more in terms of officer safety. using the direct supervision model with the ratio of 1 to 40 or 60 (and the word is that it'll be 1 to 70 in the near future) is quite too many, consider that the bc corrections branch's mandate for the staff to i/m ratio is 1:18.

Re: Applying to Correctional Service Canada

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:24 am
by portystylz
Striker wrote:As for the comment about cons running the institutions. IF..they wanted to take over a medium or minimum security institution..they could very easily. One of the biggest factors in why they don't is..the fact they can't get organized. Or won't.
I was one of 4 CX in an inside yard one night with approx 250 inmates..with in 5 minutes 1 had his throat cut and 2 more were stabbed.
Even with responding CX..we were still greatly out numbered. If they wanted to take the prison or kill some CX..I wouldn't be here tonite.
Like Supahduck wrote..nothing replaces street smarts or common dog fuck like we called it in the military!
Us CX that were involved in that incident did what we were trained to do, what we needed to do and what we knew would work to bring the situation under control. At the end of the day..well end of the second day for some of us..all staff went home physically unhurt.
It was a reality check and the first time in the 5 years I had on the job at that time that I was scared. 3 of us stood in a triangle back to back in the yard for what seemed like an eternity waiting to die. Anybody that goes through an incident like that and tells you they weren't scared..is lying.
Again like Supahduck said..things can change inside in seconds. You won't have time to call your supervisor, look up a CD on the internet or call your mentor and ask his / her advice when it goes sideways. You are going to have 2 choices. React or run.

For those of you applying for a CX position, you need to make damn sure you can function in an extremely high stress situation where people may be dying in front of you, be that inmates or coworkers. How you accomplish that..I don't know. I learned my limits and abilities thanks to 3 Van Doo Sgt's in a previous lifetime who did more for me then they realize.

Find a way. At the very least..have a long hard look at yourself and decide now if you think you can do this job. At the end of a range with pissed off inmates between you and the bubble..sure as hell isn't the time to decide.

RESPECT!