Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

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Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby ve6dkk » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:17 pm

Dear Forum Users:

I consider myself a common sense individual, but I am having a difficult time wrapping my head around the following situation faced by a member of the RCMP.

A seven-year member was living apart from his family for the past two years in order to maintain employment with the RCMP. The member approached staffing department inquiring to get a transfer of 180 km from his current post, which would allow the member to live in the same residence as his family. He was simply told, without any consideration, the infamous “You are not releasable to the adjoining Province”.

This member had the following characteristics:

- Seven year member
- Excellent record (no internal complaints, excellent annual assessments from all supervisors)
- Highly educated (Both University and College level education, clearly surpassed minimum RCMP requirement, High School equivalent)
- Mature individual, extensive life experience.
- Team player, well liked by co-workers.

There were several rural postings (undesirable to seasoned members, typically) around his family residence over the past year, all of which were filled by new members, fresh out of Depot. The Seven-year member was not even considered for those positions.

One of key requirements when joining the RCMP is to agree to locate “where the need is greatest”. It would seem that given the high number of vacant positions across Canada, primarily due to retiring members, that the need is greatest everywhere.

The discussion I would like to generate is to get ideas as to why Staffing Department would allow such a member to move on from the RCMP at a time where the entrance standards have been dropped, a huge number of retirees on the horizon with a substantial lower number of interested / acceptable applicants interested in filling the retirees positions.

Staffing members allowing even one acceptable member leave the force when there are reasonable options available to retain such an employee as I mentioned, seems counter productive and a drain on morale to the entire force.

My understanding is that the RCMP is one big brother/sisterhood, where members look out for one another. It is obvious that the Staffing Department does not follow that same philosophy.

The discussion I would like to facilitate is based on the following:

Why is it that the Staffing Department allowed to treat their members with such disregard? Why are Staffing members taken to task for their lack of management ability by their supervisiors?

The reality is, the RCMP is losing a member. Would it not make sense to have a win-win situation where the member (lives with his family) and the RCMP (retains a proven, educated and mature member) are satisfied with the outcome?

It truly boggles the mind. Any thoughts?

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Re: Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby mcdonaja » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:21 pm

One of the reasons the Pony Soldiers are somewhat broken and in dire need of an overhaul. I don't think any of my bros in the serge would disagree. Their entire management philosophy is questionable to say the least.
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Re: Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby TwE@k » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:49 pm

Is there no way this Officer could lateral to a Municipal service near his family? Or it that part of the issue (RCMP service in the area).
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Postby TwE@k » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:18 pm

Well I am sorry to hear that.....sounds like a no win situation for the Officer. I have never understood why issues like come up. it seems like a VERY easy fix to me.
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Re: Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby TwE@k » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:30 pm

This may seem like a stupid question but..........Why would the RCMP management not go out of their way to accommodate the front line Officers at every chance?? Moving to another area seems like it would be an easy thing to do. I can understand if they made you wait a few months to a year to get another Officer in to replace you but to flat out say no seems......well......fu@king stupid to me :ponder:
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Postby Lastknotch » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:33 pm

Very good post and forum topic. However I think you may have just open up Pandora's shitbox with the member's on here. This my friend is a debated topic across 750+ RCMP Post across Canada, that 20,000+ regular members have yet to wrap their heads around staffings policies. It would seem to me that the retention of the membership should be the forces ultimate goal, however staffing will rarely accomodate for member' needs. This comes down to the paramilitary makeup of the policies that have been in place probably since the inception of the force. However it often seems that exceptions on transfer policies are only made when the force not the member is suffering a hardship. Unfortunately as it stands now with the current system in place, we are generally faced with the same response, that "we would love to transfer everyone to where they would like to go, but with today finacial restraint's, regional or inter-divisions transfer's are just to costly". My experience dealing with staffing is like trying to push shit up a hill. Also the fact that our pensions are not easily transferable to a provincial/municipal pension plans, staffing is not overly concerned that members will resign if they are unhappy.

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Re: Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby mcdonaja » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:51 pm

Can't see why it would be a hardship. For the odots the majority of transfer requests, other than from promotions are at the members expense, end of story.

I've had 12 transfers in my career and they were all on my dime.

Any reason this wouldn't work with the ponies?
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Postby Lastknotch » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:05 pm

We are unable to do no cost transfers. My understanding is that members have made deal's with staffing to relocate themselves on their own $ then after the member(s) have settled to their new post, the good old greivances are submitted and paid out which ruined the no cost transfers. At least that is what staffing informed me wen asked if that was an viable option. Mcdonaja that would only make sense but we are dealing dealing with the Feds here.

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Re: Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby mcdonaja » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:35 pm

I'm sure glad that I picked heads when I did the coin toss.
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Re: Why Does RCMP Staffing Personel do what they do?

Postby CDM » Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:08 pm

There is a simple way to solve this problem, Association, the RCMP talks about credibility, but staffing has none


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