CBSA air-mode Officers armed but not carrying

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CBSA air-mode Officers armed but not carrying

Postby Punisher-One » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:38 pm

Seriously.

I am not just complaining here. This is an issue that is becoming more and more hotly contested between those of us armed and our Agency's management. We need for other LEO and people to understand our predicament and the writers at Blue Line could make that happen. We need to open the eyes of the rest of the community and get them behind us on this. We can't seem to change our management's mind by ourselves!

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Postby Tango5 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:55 pm

So, what's the issue with this from their point of view?

It is be cause you are at an AirPort you can't carry the service pistol? ... and you having it strapped to your side may do what?
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Postby Ziggy Stardust » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:30 pm

Allow me to play the devil's advocate for a moment. The CBSA might say that the arming initiative was implemented at highway border crossings first as it was deemed to be the priority and that arming airport staff will follow. This seems rational. However, this admits that about 7 years ago it was determined that arming airport staff was indeed deemed necessary. The problem with this is that we now have BSOs working at airports that have completed DFC, in fact it has been a condition of employment for every one hired since 2007. And yet their duty pistols are locked away and it will be at least another 2 years before they are able to carry them on the job. (Highway border locations are supposed to be fully armed by April 2016) The money and resources have been spent on the training and many of them are ready to go. The vast majority of the costs have already been spent and so I do not understand the delay. I think that this is the question that needs to be answered, even if we buy the explanation that the plan is to eventually have armed BSOs in passenger mode. "We're getting around to it" is just not an acceptable or adequate response.
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Re: CBSA air-mode Officers armed but not carrying

Postby Punisher-One » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:26 pm

Is the CBSA's excuse of "we're going to do it eventually" going to comfort my widow if I get killed? How about my colleagues wives/husbands and children?
This is complete and utter negligence on the part of CBSA management. There is absolutely no logical excuse for having us certified to carry a firearm and then prohibiting us from doing so. Play fast and loose with your budget or shoulder flashes thats fine.....DO NOT play fast and loose with my life and the lives of my colleagues.

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Postby SPARTAN » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:28 am

It makes no sense overall. Having to change duty belts arbitrarily will only get someone very hurt or worse.
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Postby Punisher-One » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:23 am

SPARTAN wrote:It makes no sense overall. Having to change duty belts arbitrarily will only get someone very hurt or worse.


The problem is management doesn't care.

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Postby Ziggy Stardust » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Casey Jones wrote:Not to mention media would have a hay day with how much it cost to train and arm the officers, just to have their sidearms locked away somewhere.


Looking at the implementation in highway mode, the costs involved the construction of a storage room and some awareness training for unarmed BSOs. Small potatoes compared to the training and acquisition of firearms for armed officers. I think the only impediment here is the will to move forward.
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Postby gotchya » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:49 pm

Casey Jones wrote:Not to mention media would have a hay day with how much it cost to train and arm the officers, just to have their sidearms locked away somewhere.

I'd love to see the cost of the arming initiative.

I mean they are sending BSOs from Toronto to Chilliwack BC for weeks at a time.
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Postby SPARTAN » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:50 pm

gotchya wrote:
Casey Jones wrote:Not to mention media would have a hay day with how much it cost to train and arm the officers, just to have their sidearms locked away somewhere.

I'd love to see the cost of the arming initiative.

I mean they are sending BSOs from Toronto to Chilliwack BC for weeks at a time.

They also send people from northern bc or Yukon to rigaud or summerside.
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Re: CBSA air-mode Officers armed but not carrying

Postby Bitterman » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:13 am

Punisher-One wrote:
The problem is management doesn't care.




Apologies for the derail, but there's the problem...
"Management"
What CBSA and some other orgs (cough)corrections(cough) need is "leadership".

But... you have "managers"..
Admit nothing.
Deny everything.
Make counter accusations...

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Postby Ziggy Stardust » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:20 am

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Re: CBSA air-mode Officers armed but not carrying

Postby Punisher-One » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:41 am

gotchya wrote:I'd love to see the cost of the arming initiative.


I have heard from instructors that with the ammo, weapon, instructors, facilities, and travel claims the cost of arming PER OFFICER is $50,000.00. All for it to be locked away never to be seen again.

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Postby mc7719 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:40 am

Bitterman wrote:
Apologies for the derail, but there's the problem...
"Management"
What CBSA and some other orgs (cough)corrections(cough) need is "leadership".

But... you have "managers"..


THIS! Exactly.
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Re: CBSA air-mode Officers armed but not carrying

Postby Pete Broccolo » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:49 am

MAYBE CBSA's "Managers" are afraid the full kit look will no longer flatter your figures, ladies and ungents?!
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