Your opinion - By-law/MLEO Uniforms, PPE and Vehicles

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Re: Your opinion - By-law/MLEO Uniforms, PPE and Vehicles

Postby IndictableChaser » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:45 pm

The NIJ website very clearly lists all the protection details for body armor......for the public
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Postby Dave Brown » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:00 am

IndictableChaser wrote:The NIJ website very clearly lists all the protection details for body armor......for the public

Thank you for that very valuable information. I will be sure to check that out.

Yes, I am being sarcastic. Do you REALLY want us to detail what levels of body armour are worn by what agencies on a public forum for all to see, especially considering anyone visiting this forum can then look up that information on the NIJ website and find out what will defeat who?

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Re: Your opinion - By-law/MLEO Uniforms, PPE and Vehicles

Postby DonutMan » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:56 am

Tommy wrote:Here's another one to look at.....

Looks like Ontario is likely to move away from Police style uniforms and tools before they embrace any of them...

At least they'll be cheerful though.... :roll:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ ... -1.3259301


.... is this a joke? :crazy:

They're there to enforce city bylaws which are in place to ensure public safety and maintain community order. Disgruntled persons are going to take out their frustration on the bylaws and this lack of PPE/soft image approach is what is going to lead to bylaw officers getting hurt.

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Postby BSO20620 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:10 pm

Should be a standard like in Alberta where CPO 1 look like Law Enforcement and not a meter maid. The CPO 1 uniforms stand out like a LEO uniform unlike the CBSA uniform that looks like Brinks.
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Postby IndictableChaser » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:31 am

BSO20620 wrote:Should be a standard like in Alberta where CPO 1 look like Law Enforcement and not a meter maid. The CPO 1 uniforms stand out like a LEO uniform unlike the CBSA uniform that looks like Brinks.


What the fuck?
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Postby Von » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:55 pm

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Postby DonutMan » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:15 pm

Von wrote:
BSO20620 wrote:unlike the CBSA uniform that looks like Brinks.


http://www.brinks.monstermediaworks.ca/ ... Driver.jpg

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thes ... erbox.jpeg


why are the cbsa patches so freakishly huge?

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Postby Respond Wayne » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:24 pm

DonutMan wrote:
why are the cbsa patches so freakishly huge?


Each time they create a new patch, it's slightly larger than the previous one, that way it covers up the stitch holes left in the clothing from the previous patch.

They estimate in about 10 years, they will need to hire larger staff who wear XXL and up sizes... :P
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Postby Ziggy Stardust » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:09 pm

Five different shoulder flashes over the past ~17 years.
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Postby Ziggy Stardust » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:00 pm

We even have what coin collectors would refer to as "error coins". These can be quite valuable in the coin world since they are quite rare but unfortunately for the patch collectors they probably produced 100,000 of those.

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Postby Rareform » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:15 pm

BSO20620 wrote:Should be a standard like in Alberta where CPO 1 look like Law Enforcement and not a meter maid. The CPO 1 uniforms stand out like a LEO uniform unlike the CBSA uniform that looks like Brinks.


Laff! :lol:

Brinks looks nothing like the CBSA. If anything, it would have been a better comparison to draw the similarities between the old G4S Cash uniforms and the CBSA uniforms since both used exactly the same SBA carrier and were dark blue.

GardaWorld has since shifted the uniforms a bit -> http://www.gardaglobal.com/cash-service ... portal.jpg http://www.gardaglobal.com/cash-service ... tation.jpg

There should definitely be a set standard for uniforms and equipment for sure for By-Law and other non-police municipal enforcement officers.
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Postby mleo87 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:00 pm

Simplimatics wrote:There should definitely be a set standard for uniforms and equipment for sure for By-Law and other non-police municipal enforcement officers.


I would doubt that would ever happen, just trying to even get uniforms and PPE in a single municipality for by-law seems to be hard enough as it is, let alone getting the entire province to set a uniform standard. I believe the two most obvious reasons for this is 1. Cost cutting (budgets) and 2. Liability, the municipality is more worried about being sued than providing PPE and a safe work environment for its officers. Another thing related to all of that is actually enforcing adherence to uniform policies, as it is known that many officers choose simply not to wear the issued uniform and many managers just choose not to enforce it. Not wearing the uniform stems from many reasons, such as the employer not having sizes in stock, material issues ex can't be polyester (Dr. note), and health and safety, as some officers don't want to wear it as they feel it makes them look similar to a police officer, all while having no PPE (vest, baton, spray) or even a communication radio to go along with it. Why put yourself at risk looking like a cop is the mentality I guess. I get officers reasoning, however I cannot help finding not wearing a uniform to be extremely unprofessional.

As I have stated many times before, by-law isn't policing and the standards seem to be incredibly low in comparison; there is no order, policy adherence, or rank in file and as a result of this many do not see a need for uniforms, PPE, physical or defence training and other health and safety items. Personally I think anyone who thinks by-law doesn't need any of the above is off their rocker and is completely oblivious to risk, but hey it's the world we live in.

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Postby Rareform » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:50 pm

If Alberta and Saskatchewan can do it, it's a possibility for other provinces. As far as I am aware, BC is looking to do something similar to Alberta (peace officer act/standardization) and BC is just as unregulated as Ontario.

Maybe one day Ontario will do the same.
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Postby Von » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:05 pm

Simplimatics wrote:Maybe one day Ontario will do the same.


Not with the current administration in power.
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