Internal or exterior carrier

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Internal or exterior carrier

Postby rro92 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:59 am

What do you prefer and why?

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Re: Internal or exterior carrier

Postby IndictableChaser » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:51 am

rro92 wrote:What do you prefer and why?


Depends. There is no one application fits all. Post the circumstance in which you are wearing said body armor and I'll give you my .02
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Re: Internal or exterior carrier

Postby polarbear » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:03 am

Join the private side of the forum and you will get answers.
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Re: Internal or exterior carrier

Postby IndictableChaser » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:35 pm

polarbear wrote:Join the private side of the forum and you will get answers.

What if he's a security guard...
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Re: Internal or exterior carrier

Postby Harbinger30 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:21 pm

I prefer my external because I find the internal too hot. I also have some equipment attached to my vest that I'd rather not go without.

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Re: Internal or exterior carrier

Postby mack_silent » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:19 am

I have worn both for security and preferred external.
Internal was hot, trapped sweat closer to skin, and was harder to put on or remove.

TPS appears to have many officers switching to LBV (load bearing vest - some gear off belt and onto the vest).
This appears to be healthier for the spine and back.

Here is a video of xray study for the difference between gear on LBV and duty belt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Ad5osD_9Q
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Re: Internal or exterior carrier

Postby mark y » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:02 pm

We get this question daily. There are two sides to this;

Concealed (under-shirt)
    looks better (not so overt)
    no 'handholds' for people to grab in a struggle
    generally fits better (fewer gaps)
    SBA is designed and is tested to be worn against the skin
    stays in place when running

Overt (over-shirt)
    Can transfer some gear off your belt to the vest
    tends not to be as hot/uncomfortable
    can easily put the armour on if you don't normally wear armour but need to go out of the office for a short time

If you talk to armour designers/engineers, they will tell you that the concealed carriers are safer. The armour is designed to be worn up against your skin (maybe a performance shirt or something in between) and is tested as such. There are no tests done for external carried armour where you might have a t-shirt, duty shirt, and possibly a sweater or something under it. Also, on external carriers, you will see that there are more un-covered areas, especially under and around the arms, which statistically is where nearly 50% of fatal bullet entries occur (source below) ("armhole or shoulder area" combined with "between side panels").

We had a case here not long ago where a member was wearing external armour. He knocked at a door of a house (loud house party inside) and the door opened, and immediately 2 or 3 guys dragged the member inside the house and shut the door behind him. They grabbed him by the armour carrier, which then ripped off, so the member was left unprotected and the party-goers had his armour. The really bad news was that his 2-way radio was also attached to his armour. Fortunately, he had backup come in the door a few seconds later, but it would have been really bad news if that wasn't the case.

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