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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby klink1983 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:38 am

GoodWitness wrote:
Respond Wayne wrote:Good 'ol Val Tag Bingo!

Took this pic back in 2009... wonder what the plate looks like now?

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Aside from the infraction, do these people not realize that it also just looks absolutely stupid?


Where's 2008?
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Parking159 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:49 am

klink1983 wrote:
GoodWitness wrote:
Respond Wayne wrote:Good 'ol Val Tag Bingo!

Took this pic back in 2009... wonder what the plate looks like now?

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Aside from the infraction, do these people not realize that it also just looks absolutely stupid?


Where's 2008?


Under 2009. You can see the edge of it sticking out.
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Shawshank » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:01 pm

Quick question, and here seems like as a good as a thread as any.

Pretty sure I know the answer, but I want to double check before I go through some effort for nothing.

My wife's parents in AB gave her a car. She brought it back to Ontario. It does not have a front license plate mount. I assume that I need to get one so that I can affix the license plate? I have the front plate, it is just sitting in the truck for now.
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby GoodWitness » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:47 pm

Well, at least you have Ontario plates. I have neighbors that drove for the better part of a year with BC plates.

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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Snowman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:18 pm

Shawshank wrote:Quick question, and here seems like as a good as a thread as any.

Pretty sure I know the answer, but I want to double check before I go through some effort for nothing.

My wife's parents in AB gave her a car. She brought it back to Ontario. It does not have a front license plate mount. I assume that I need to get one so that I can affix the license plate? I have the front plate, it is just sitting in the truck for now.


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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby No 20 Year Medal » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:53 am

From the HTA:

Permit requirements

7. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway unless,
(a) there exists a currently validated permit for the vehicle;

(b) there are displayed on the vehicle, in the prescribed manner,

(i) number plates issued in accordance with the regulations showing the number of the permit issued for the vehicle, or

(ii) number plates described in subsection (7.2) if the vehicle is an historic vehicle and the Ministry has issued a currently validated permit for it; and

(c) evidence of the current validation of the permit is affixed, in the prescribed manner, to,

(i) one of the number plates mentioned in subclause (b) (i) displayed on the vehicle, or

(ii) to a mini-plate attached to the number plate exposed on the rear of the vehicle, if number plates described in subsection (7.2) are displayed on the vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 7 (1); 2000, c. 29, s. 1 (1).


Short form wording from my Notebook Companion:

"Drive Motor Vehicle - Fail To Display Two Plates", sec. 7(1)(b)(i)
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Shawshank » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:53 pm

Thank you, I was hoping there would be an exemption for cars without factory mounts. I will find a mount for it. Any suggestions where to go? Canadian Tire or Princess auto maybe?

Also, I had no intentions of putting the front plate on the dash. Seems like a little safety issue.
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby hurley7 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:06 pm

No 20 Year Medal wrote:From the HTA:

Permit requirements

7. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway unless,
(a) there exists a currently validated permit for the vehicle;

(b) there are displayed on the vehicle, in the prescribed manner,

(i) number plates issued in accordance with the regulations showing the number of the permit issued for the vehicle, or

(ii) number plates described in subsection (7.2) if the vehicle is an historic vehicle and the Ministry has issued a currently validated permit for it; and

(c) evidence of the current validation of the permit is affixed, in the prescribed manner, to,

(i) one of the number plates mentioned in subclause (b) (i) displayed on the vehicle, or

(ii) to a mini-plate attached to the number plate exposed on the rear of the vehicle, if number plates described in subsection (7.2) are displayed on the vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 7 (1); 2000, c. 29, s. 1 (1).


Short form wording from my Notebook Companion:

"Drive Motor Vehicle - Fail To Display Two Plates", sec. 7(1)(b)(i)


The last time I gave this tag the genius went to court claiming that I made a mistake on the ticket because of this wording. He said "I didn't fail to display TWO plates I was only missing the front one".


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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Molson » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:24 pm

Shawshank wrote:Thank you, I was hoping there would be an exemption for cars without factory mounts. I will find a mount for it. Any suggestions where to go? Canadian Tire or Princess auto maybe?


You can get the mount from the dealership I would think?

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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Respond Wayne » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:44 pm

A little expensive from a Dealership... maybe try an Auto Wreckers! :thumbsup:
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Snowman » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:45 pm

Respond Wayne wrote:A little expensive from a Dealership... maybe try an Auto Wreckers! :thumbsup:



That is the route I would take. Dealership was expensive & slow with parts for last one I ordered.
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby No 20 Year Medal » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:01 pm

Shawshank wrote:...I had no intentions of putting the front plate on the dash. Seems like a little safety issue.
Huge safety issue... plus, that charge would read "Drive Motor Vehicle - Plate Improperly Displayed" (same HTA section) :D



Hurley7 wrote:The last time I gave this tag the genius went to court claiming that I made a mistake on the ticket because of this wording. He said "I didn't fail to display TWO plates I was only missing the front one".

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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Shawshank » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:15 pm

Don't worry, it was a little tongue in cheek. I firmly believe in having things secured, just in case.
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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby protector49 » Thu May 21, 2020 12:31 pm

Sorry to revive an old thread but relevant.

Had an odd one recently. Woman driving her truck. Had a hit on ALPR. Pulled over and found expired insurance. Valid registration. BUT Valid Val Tag.

Driver adamant truck was in public garage that many people had access. Claims no knowledge of who stuck the valid Val Tag on plate. Or even being aware it was on there. We found the real Val Tag owner and he did not even know it was missing (the thing was stacked with more then a few previous years tags). He never reported lost or stolen. I still laid a possession property offence and no insurance. I'm just reaching out for any feedback on what to expect for possible defense of possession. Like I said it's an odd one and don't want to lose on something I missed.

Thanks

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Re: Ontario Val Tags

Postby Pete Broccolo » Thu May 21, 2020 12:45 pm

protector49 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:31 pm
Sorry to revive an old thread but relevant.

Had an odd one recently. Woman driving her truck. Had a hit on ALPR. Pulled over and found expired insurance. Valid registration. BUT Valid Val Tag.

Driver adamant truck was in public garage that many people had access. Claims no knowledge of who stuck the valid Val Tag on plate. Or even being aware it was on there. We found the real Val Tag owner and he did not even know it was missing (the thing was stacked with more then a few previous years tags). He never reported lost or stolen. I still laid a possession property offence and no insurance. I'm just reaching out for any feedback on what to expect for possible defense of possession. Like I said it's an odd one and don't want to lose on something I missed.

Thanks
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