Humber College MUNICIPAL BY-LAW Certificate program

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Humber College MUNICIPAL BY-LAW Certificate program

Postby rob_ambro » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:29 pm

Is anyone here taking it or has taken this program in the past? If so, did you find it beneficial in landing a job in by-law enforcement?

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Re: Humber College MUNICIPAL BY-LAW Certificate program

Postby ToyCopp » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:04 am

By law is a funny thing. They are high paying jobs with a great schedule, that everyone seems to want.
Having this course I would think would be beneficial. But like most things, It’s no guarantee. I know a girl that is a Tobacco Control Officer and she has only her high school and bartender experience. Which can explain alot of things now that I think of it.

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Postby Jace » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:56 pm

I have posted at length about this topic, so here's my two cents worth.

If, and only if, you are going to train for By-Law Enforcement without portfolio, meaning without having been hired, I would head up to Gravenhurst and take the MLEO 1 course.

I was going to do it myself this year, but couldn't afford it. It is the only recognized programme, run by the Municipal Law Enforcement Officers Association. It costs $1200.00 bucks, includes food and lodging, and is only a week in length.

But again, from what I've seen, you are competing against unionized internals in a government setting, and everyone and his/her dog who is on the outside looking in. So think carefully about if you want to spend the money. I could have gotten the cash together myself, but it seemed to me to be too much of a risk, and in the end I figured that my chances of getting a job were too slim to justify it. Things may change in the new year, and I may decide to take it. I would recommend the same for you, and forget the duplication of doing the Humber course, which I believe is either one or two semesters.

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Postby Jace » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:58 pm

know a girl that is a Tobacco Control Officer and she has only her high school and bartender experience. Which can explain alot of things now that I think of it....quoting from ToyCopp

Good Lord, what happened to the idea of the world being a meritocracy, where the best educated get ahead?
If she is competent, great. But I think she must have had some internal help, either way.

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Postby Jace » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:00 pm

Toy Copp wrote: I know a girl that is a Tobacco Control Officer and she has only her high school and bartender experience. Which can explain alot of things now that I think of it.

Good Lord, what happened to the idea of the world being a meritocracy, where the best educated get ahead?
If she is competent, great. But I think she must have had some internal help, either way.

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Postby Jace » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:02 pm

I'm such a goof, I'm having trouble with the "quote" setting.

ToyCopp, how on earth did this girl get in to Tobacco Enforcement? If she is competent, great. But she must have had some one looking after her internally.

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Postby ToyCopp » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:50 pm

Jace wrote:I'm such a goof, I'm having trouble with the "quote" setting.

ToyCopp, how on earth did this girl get in to Tobacco Enforcement? If she is competent, great. But she must have had some one looking after her internally.


Well I know this is going to sound crazy but in my region they do things a bit differently.
They tend to hire people with just minimum qualifications and that are in their middle adulthood that have had a ruff life working minimum wage jobs and having kids as a single parent.
In the Ministry of Community and Correctional Services these people are commonly known as the “misfits” We have them Casino Niagara and Fallsview as well. The full time security officers were people who got hired while on welfare that were just told to take a week course that the government paid for and they were given fulltime jobs being hardly qualified. I guess it was cheaper to do this then leave them on welfare. When I worked there I was part time for years and these losers would walk around shoving it in your face that they were full time with benefits and a secure job while most of us part timers that had PF, LASA or Military were starved getting by on 3 shifts a week.
But in the end, when you looked at the bigger picture part time officers were the ones going on to better places and real jobs. The full time people with no qualifications were stuck there.

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Postby ToyCopp » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:00 pm

Jace wrote:I have posted at length about this topic, so here's my two cents worth.

If, and only if, you are going to train for By-Law Enforcement without portfolio, meaning without having been hired, I would head up to Gravenhurst and take the MLEO 1 course.

I was going to do it myself this year, but couldn't afford it. It is the only recognized programme, run by the Municipal Law Enforcement Officers Association. It costs $1200.00 bucks, includes food and lodging, and is only a week in length.

But again, from what I've seen, you are competing against unionized internals in a government setting, and everyone and his/her dog who is on the outside looking in. So think carefully about if you want to spend the money. I could have gotten the cash together myself, but it seemed to me to be too much of a risk, and in the end I figured that my chances of getting a job were too slim to justify it. Things may change in the new year, and I may decide to take it. I would recommend the same for you, and forget the duplication of doing the Humber course, which I believe is either one or two semesters.



In the past I have been to about 5 Bylaw interviews with services across the province. Having former peace officer and MLEO experience going into the interview.
In my experience they always seem to hire a current serving by-law officer from another municipality, internal hire, or I dare say.....a friend or relative. Im sorry but that’s what ive been thru with my own personal experience while trying to scoop up a by-law job. Its not easy at all. No matter what your experience and qualifications are. In the end they will hire who they want. I used to work for the City of Toronto and this was all too true.

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Postby Jace » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:35 pm

I believe you, ToyCopp. This doesn't surprise me at all. It's discouraging for people with aspirations to get in, though.

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Postby rob_ambro » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:41 am

Thanks for all the responses... they're definitely helpful. After some consideration, I think I will enrol in the program. Although many of you have mentioned that by-law is a difficult field to break into- which I thought to begin with- I look at it as having something extra under my belt... which never hurts.

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Postby Smokeman » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:00 pm

This is SO weird - I took both Humber College M-By-law and MLEOA (Basic) course. I totally would recommend both. The Humber program has 4 courses to form the certificate, which goes by pretty quick. I have to admit though, when I took the course there were a lot of City of Toronto (Union) employees doing the course: of course they get first dip at any of the by-law jobs in T.O.

If you want to do (or good at) a lot of networking, I would recommend MLEOA - only because you get to meet a lot of people and if you have good people skills you can always try to talk your way into a job. Most people who go to MLEOA are already hired as a by-law guy. Like the previous guy said - it is $1200 which is a lot to pay up front.

Both courses cover more than "need to know to do your job" - which is good - and it helps if you move on the bigger and better things.

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Postby ToyCopp » Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:19 pm

Smokeman wrote:
If you want to do (or good at) a lot of networking, I would recommend MLEOA - only because you get to meet a lot of people and if you have good people skills you can always try to talk your way into a job.


"talking your way into a job" wouldn’t be very ethical on the employers part. Remember there is a very watchful eye from unions and HR.
You are right though. Networking is very useful and having some courses is a definite leg up on most....WHEN A POSITION IS AVAILABLE.

Taking that MELOA course doesn’t hurt. But don’t take it and depend on it. Its more of something to take if you have the cash to do it and don’t mind stick around on your resume for awhile and not putting it to use.

I have a LASA diploma with a shitload of qualifications from ASIS. All in which most employers could give 2 shits about.
If it wasn’t for my current employer hiring me when they did it would have all gone to waste and I was going to go back to school for something else.

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Re: Humber College MUNICIPAL BY-LAW Certificate program

Postby Smokeman » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:27 am

You would agree that while most full-time bylaw jobs are unionized, a lot of part-time (contract) positions are not. And from experience I know some department would hire a bunch of part-timers and pick from the best and move them into fulltime positions. Also -sometimes positions are not posted, or they might test/interview for "inventory". A lot of times the general public (job board) will be notified after they have identified the person they really want... I know, this actually happens in government? lol.

I have to say I lucked out when I applied way back when. Athough I am no longer a bylaw guy - I have to say the experience/education from both MLEOA and Humber are more than useful in any enforcement jobs. *I also have LASA and found it was not overly helpful in the bylaw world.

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Postby devilwoman » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:10 pm

My hubby has years of by-law experience, years of private security management (operations supervisor, patrol supervisor, scheduling, corporate security manager) a law enforcement diploma and a squeaky clean employment record yet he applies for these positions and doesn't even get a call back for testing, let alone an interview. I've met some people in these positions that have ZERO background and yet are hired. Figure that one out.

As an experiment, I applied to a couple he did. Even with my current position and background I didn't get a call. I'm not saying I'm the be all and end all, but I wonder what "qualifications" they are actually looking for.

And....if I dare bring up a blast from the past, look at our infamous poster here, Munenlawofficer. He was a drop out from ADT alarm response....a guy who did more damage to vehicles in the time that he was there then my whole platoon and he got hired on making great cash doing enforcement in Kitchener Waterloo area. He was a complete tool and was known to do burnouts in his work vehicle. Yet, he was still hired.

Sometimes I wonder if, when applying to these positions, its not what you know its who you blow.
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