Cell extractions

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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Federal CO » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:22 pm

If that's the case then good.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby PPSC Lawyer » Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:49 pm

Federal CO wrote:Cell extractions usually involve more tools and personal than hospital security can utilize. Within the federal prison system we have OC gas, batons, gas rounds, firearms, handcuffs, trained officers, and most of all, authority. I am glad the situation went in your favor but I could see the legal issues should that "client" be smart enough to take your use of force to court.


I've never been inside a federal prison and know little about how CSC runs things, but I'm surprised a firearm would be anywhere near a cell extraction.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby dira necessitas » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:26 pm

Don't bring a shiv to a gun fight.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby bips » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:56 pm

raider63 wrote:
Federal CO wrote:Cell extractions usually involve more tools and personal than hospital security can utilize. Within the federal prison system we have OC gas, batons, gas rounds, firearms, handcuffs, trained officers, and most of all, authority. I am glad the situation went in your favor but I could see the legal issues should that "client" be smart enough to take your use of force to court.


The authority exists in the Mental Health Act


Retracted...i didnt realize the post was in response to "authority". My bad! :twitch:
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Federal CO » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:33 pm

PPSC Lawyer wrote:
Federal CO wrote:Cell extractions usually involve more tools and personal than hospital security can utilize. Within the federal prison system we have OC gas, batons, gas rounds, firearms, handcuffs, trained officers, and most of all, authority. I am glad the situation went in your favor but I could see the legal issues should that "client" be smart enough to take your use of force to court.


I've never been inside a federal prison and know little about how CSC runs things, but I'm surprised a firearm would be anywhere near a cell extraction.

The firearms are secure behind bullet proof glass (in the control post where the officer controls cell doors and barriers) while the armed officer has the muzzle pointed out of what we call a gun port and aiming at the inmate. Unless the situation at hand is well out of control, then our ERT and TAC teams can be responding.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby PPSC Lawyer » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:54 pm

Federal CO wrote:
PPSC Lawyer wrote:
Federal CO wrote:Cell extractions usually involve more tools and personal than hospital security can utilize. Within the federal prison system we have OC gas, batons, gas rounds, firearms, handcuffs, trained officers, and most of all, authority. I am glad the situation went in your favor but I could see the legal issues should that "client" be smart enough to take your use of force to court.


I've never been inside a federal prison and know little about how CSC runs things, but I'm surprised a firearm would be anywhere near a cell extraction.

The firearms are secure behind bullet proof glass (in the control post where the officer controls cell doors and barriers) while the armed officer has the muzzle pointed out of what we call a gun port and aiming at the inmate. Unless the situation at hand is well out of control, then our ERT and TAC teams can be responding.


Ah. Now that makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Federal CO » Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:01 pm

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Ah. Now that makes a lot of sense.[/quote]
Just to make sure you're not improperly informed. Pointing firearms at inmates is not done unless there is an immediate threat (officer assualt/inmate stabbing etc). It is not proper procedure to point a firearm at an inmate during a typical cell extraction. The option is there just incase.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby mtljoe82 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:56 am

Edit: I wasnt there...
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Bitterman » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:06 am

mtljoe82 wrote:
I work in a youth center here in Quebec. We are responsible for housing youths sentenced under the young offender act.


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Re: Cell extractions

Postby mtljoe82 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:51 am

Bitterman wrote:
mtljoe82 wrote:
I work in a youth center here in Quebec. We are responsible for housing youths sentenced under the young offender act.


'Just to be picky... The YOA was replaced with the YCJA in 2002.




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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Commish. » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:07 am

Sumo_CPO wrote:Anyone know where/who in Alberta to talk to about receiving training on cell extractions? Preferably instructor training, but any advice would be helpful.

The best thing is call the police in for help. You don't get paid enough to take those type of risks. Unless the hospital muckity mucks are willing to get everyone trained.
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Sumo_CPO » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:23 am

Commish. wrote:The best thing is call the police in for help. You don't get paid enough to take those type of risks. Unless the hospital muckity mucks are willing to get everyone trained.


Actually, I do get paid enough to take those type of risks - our salary cap is comparable with the local police service. ;)
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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Bald Man » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:12 pm

One word.....taser.......and done. No need for cell extraction teams anymore.

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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Transitpopo » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:37 am

bips wrote:Cell extraction training which is offered during training in corrections/sheriffs, is not usually offered to outside professionals. You might be better off asking the excellent training staff at the Staff College if they are willing to include you but I doubt you can do so unless you are an actual recruit in training. Just curious, why would you need cell extraction training when you work in a hospital :ponder:


Sheriff's don't get cell extraction training, at least not in Alberta.

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Re: Cell extractions

Postby Federal CO » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:10 am

Transitpopo wrote:
bips wrote:Cell extraction training which is offered during training in corrections/sheriffs, is not usually offered to outside professionals. You might be better off asking the excellent training staff at the Staff College if they are willing to include you but I doubt you can do so unless you are an actual recruit in training. Just curious, why would you need cell extraction training when you work in a hospital :ponder:


Sheriff's don't get cell extraction training, at least not in Alberta.

Really? I thought they would. Especially since they train along side with Corrections.
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