Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

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Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby BC Foot Finder » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:57 am

So who controls the corpse? Police? Special Investigations Unit? Medical Examiner?

Why isn't the nature of the "disturbance" complaint disclosed?

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/447839

Jun 24, 2008 04:30 AM

SIMCOE, Ont.–Ontario's Special Investigations Unit is probing the death of a 36-year-old man who died after being Tasered in a confrontation with provincial police officers.

Officers were responding to a call about a man causing a disturbance in Norfolk County yesterday morning. Police described the man as "combative."

A Taser was used to subdue him before officers took him to the Simcoe provincial police station, the SIU said in a release last night.

The man collapsed at the station and officers administered first aid until an ambulance arrived, police said. He died at Norfolk General Hospital.

The SIU is a civilian agency that probes cases of serious injury or death involving police.

The incident occurred just days after the RCMP announced it would restrict Taser firings.

Officers will have clearer direction on how and when the powerful weapons should be wielded "as quickly as possible," the Mounties said last Wednesday following renewed calls for action by the RCMP complaints commission.

A recent report on RCMP Taser use revealed that nearly a third of the people hit with Tasers needed medical treatment after.

Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski died last October after he was Tasered by RCMP at Vancouver International Airport.

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Postby BC Foot Finder » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:24 am

WTF? Tasers can function as a "stun gun", but use has evolved beyond that function. The 5 second, 50000 volt charge mode has proven to be the most valuable field use. And this report says the accused was treated by ambulance personnel PRIOR to his later collapse at the police station. Police released that info, and other media outlets chose not to report same. That is hardly an insignificant news factor. OPP personnel received medical advice prior to transferring the accused to the Station. That's good, right?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008 ... 6-sun.html

By ASHLEY HOUSE, SUN MEDIA
The London Free Press

SIMCOE -- There was a tight lockdown on area roads leading into the small hamlet of Fisher's Glen yesterday as Ontario's Special Investigation Unit investigated the death of a man who collapsed after being hit with a stun gun by Norfolk County OPP.

Police responded to a call of an unwanted man causing a disturbance in Fisher's Glen around 10:30 a.m. yesterday.

Police would not comment on the nature of the disturbance or on the man involved.

"We must give SIU time to investigate and we do not want to comment on anything that might deter their investigation," said Sgt. Pierre Chamberland, media co-ordinator with the OPP corporate communications bureau.

Police say they located the "combative male party" and during the encounter, police "deployed a conducted energy weapon." Ambulance personnel attended the scene before the man was taken into police custody and then to the Norfolk OPP detachment.

Police say the 36-year-old man collapsed when they arrived at the detachment. Officers administered first aid until an ambulance arrived. The man was taken to Norfolk General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

As of last night, Fisher's Glen Road and Front Road at Spooky Hollow Road were still closed by police with only local residents allowed in and out of the area.

Residents just outside the usually quiet hamlet said they hadn't heard what had happened.

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Re: Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby Bald Man » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:58 am

BC Foot Finder wrote:WTF? Tasers can function as a "stun gun", but use has evolved beyond that function. The 5 second, 50000 volt charge mode has proven to be the most valuable field use. And this report says the accused was treated by ambulance personnel PRIOR to his later collapse at the police station. Police released that info, and other media outlets chose not to report same. That is hardly an insignificant news factor. OPP personnel received medical advice prior to transferring the accused to the Station. That's good, right?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008 ... 6-sun.html

By ASHLEY HOUSE, SUN MEDIA
The London Free Press

SIMCOE -- There was a tight lockdown on area roads leading into the small hamlet of Fisher's Glen yesterday as Ontario's Special Investigation Unit investigated the death of a man who collapsed after being hit with a stun gun by Norfolk County OPP.

Police responded to a call of an unwanted man causing a disturbance in Fisher's Glen around 10:30 a.m. yesterday.

Police would not comment on the nature of the disturbance or on the man involved.

"We must give SIU time to investigate and we do not want to comment on anything that might deter their investigation," said Sgt. Pierre Chamberland, media co-ordinator with the OPP corporate communications bureau.

Police say they located the "combative male party" and during the encounter, police "deployed a conducted energy weapon." Ambulance personnel attended the scene before the man was taken into police custody and then to the Norfolk OPP detachment.

Police say the 36-year-old man collapsed when they arrived at the detachment. Officers administered first aid until an ambulance arrived. The man was taken to Norfolk General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

As of last night, Fisher's Glen Road and Front Road at Spooky Hollow Road were still closed by police with only local residents allowed in and out of the area.

Residents just outside the usually quiet hamlet said they hadn't heard what had happened.



Sounds like the OPP followed protocol. But when you look at who released the first article, it explains everything. So if this guy was cleared by EMS, I'm not sure how the taser caused him to die some time after? I can only guess he had taken some street drugs perhaps some crack (in addition to being :crazy: ) which was causing him to go bananas in the first place. Crack does effect one vitals such as BP,heart rate,core body temp.

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Re: Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby Bald Man » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:08 am

Bald Man wrote:
BC Foot Finder wrote:WTF? Tasers can function as a "stun gun", but use has evolved beyond that function. The 5 second, 50000 volt charge mode has proven to be the most valuable field use. And this report says the accused was treated by ambulance personnel PRIOR to his later collapse at the police station. Police released that info, and other media outlets chose not to report same. That is hardly an insignificant news factor. OPP personnel received medical advice prior to transferring the accused to the Station. That's good, right?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008 ... 6-sun.html

By ASHLEY HOUSE, SUN MEDIA
The London Free Press

SIMCOE -- There was a tight lockdown on area roads leading into the small hamlet of Fisher's Glen yesterday as Ontario's Special Investigation Unit investigated the death of a man who collapsed after being hit with a stun gun by Norfolk County OPP.

Police responded to a call of an unwanted man causing a disturbance in Fisher's Glen around 10:30 a.m. yesterday.

Police would not comment on the nature of the disturbance or on the man involved.

"We must give SIU time to investigate and we do not want to comment on anything that might deter their investigation," said Sgt. Pierre Chamberland, media co-ordinator with the OPP corporate communications bureau.

Police say they located the "combative male party" and during the encounter, police "deployed a conducted energy weapon." Ambulance personnel attended the scene before the man was taken into police custody and then to the Norfolk OPP detachment.

Police say the 36-year-old man collapsed when they arrived at the detachment. Officers administered first aid until an ambulance arrived. The man was taken to Norfolk General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

As of last night, Fisher's Glen Road and Front Road at Spooky Hollow Road were still closed by police with only local residents allowed in and out of the area.

Residents just outside the usually quiet hamlet said they hadn't heard what had happened.



Sounds like the OPP followed protocol. But when you look at who released the first article, it explains everything. What the does the RCMP policies have to do with Ontario police? Retarded reportes.

So if this guy was cleared by EMS, I'm not sure how the taser caused him to die some time after? I can only guess he had taken some street drugs perhaps some crack (in addition to being :crazy: ) which was causing him to go bananas in the first place. Crack does effect one vitals such as BP,heart rate,core body temp.


Funny how the media have never mentions how an incident such as this one effects the police officer(s) involved. I don't know because I've never killed anyone but a gather this would have a negative impact on your health both mentally and physically. Not to mention the officer(s) families who are also left to deal with the impact that it has one their spouses in their peronal life.

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Re: Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby cmj » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:46 am

How about some news on quick thinking, well trained, level headed police officers who have been able to end a potentially tragic situation the with responsible use of a taser, before further escalation by the client left no option besides deadly force.

Am I reaching here?

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Re: Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby Bald Man » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:09 pm

cmj wrote:How about some news on quick thinking, well trained, level headed police officers who have been able to end a potentially tragic situation the with responsible use of a taser, before further escalation by the client left no option besides deadly force.

Am I reaching here?


Excellent points!! I'm not a reporter so I can only guess that twisting the facts arounds by putting a negative spin on what actually happened sells papers. Kudos to the officers involved.

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Re: Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby TheWidowsSon » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:10 am

The following is a "Letter to the Editor" from the London Free Press (Wed, July 30, 2008) that should get some people's blood boiling.

London Free Press wrote:Canada must ban Tasers

Regarding the article Mom told of son's death next day (July 25). Twenty deaths in five years connected to "electronic control devices." My, how we abuse the English language to disguise the Taser. What's next, will police firearms be labeled "lead propulsion devices?"

There should be no place in a decent society for the existence, let alone the sanctioned use, of these electronic control devices.

Allegations are starting to surface that police are abusing the Taser by torturing prisoners held in captivity, as in the case of a Metis youth in Manitoba. The mere possibility that it has or could occur should cause enough discomfort to outlaw these devices.

Canada is a decent and proud nation, and our law enforcement agents have no justifiable need for electronic control devices, given they have lead propulsion devices, wrist restraints and combat training.

Enough is enough already. We don't need another victim.

We need an outright ban on Tasers nationwide, now!

Bill Sandison

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Re: Simcoe ON: Combative Man Tasered; Dies Later

Postby Bald Man » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:25 am

TheWidowsSon wrote:The following is a "Letter to the Editor" from the London Free Press (Wed, July 30, 2008) that should get some people's blood boiling.

London Free Press wrote:Canada must ban Tasers

Regarding the article Mom told of son's death next day (July 25). Twenty deaths in five years connected to "electronic control devices." My, how we abuse the English language to disguise the Taser. What's next, will police firearms be labeled "lead propulsion devices?"

There should be no place in a decent society for the existence, let alone the sanctioned use, of these electronic control devices.

Allegations are starting to surface that police are abusing the Taser by torturing prisoners held in captivity, as in the case of a Metis youth in Manitoba. The mere possibility that it has or could occur should cause enough discomfort to outlaw these devices.

Canada is a decent and proud nation, and our law enforcement agents have no justifiable need for electronic control devices, given they have lead propulsion devices, wrist restraints and combat training.

Enough is enough already. We don't need another victim.

We need an outright ban on Tasers nationwide, now!

Bill Sandison

St. Thomas


captivity eh?

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Postby Dudley DoRight » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:55 am

I think if we immediately replaced the Taser with S&W or Glock then all the &*()*()()*&*(%^&$%^ would go away. Report in the last couple of days that "clients" are being sereley injured by ASPs and batons now....probably being deployed because we are all scared of the backlash BS that follows ANY use of the Taser. Don't confuse them with the facts. Maybe we should invite representitives of the CLU Lawyers , Amnesty, BIll Sandison and maybe Ashley House of Sun Media to come along on the next time any one of us gets called to deal with an ED, out of control, agressive, drug fired subject. Let's see THEM deal with these time bombs. Give them the IMIM options and see how things go...heck, we have nothing to loose and EVERYTHING to gain.

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Postby Dudley DoRight » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:41 pm

"that wouldn't work, because as Bill Sandison points out, we're all "combat" trained."

That would be news and a massive surprise for my son who IS a COMBAT Instructor for the Cdn Armed Forces, at St Jean. It's been a long time since I fired a howitzer, mortar or threw a grenade. Maybe I slept through those classes in Regina? Any other Horsemen here remember those classes? Was it between Drill & Law, or after Driver Training ?

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Postby Rob » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:37 pm

Dudley DoRight wrote:"that wouldn't work, because as Bill Sandison points out, we're all "combat" trained."

That would be news and a massive surprise for my son who IS a COMBAT Instructor for the Cdn Armed Forces, at St Jean. It's been a long time since I fired a howitzer, mortar or threw a grenade. Maybe I slept through those classes in Regina? Any other Horsemen here remember those classes? Was it between Drill & Law, or after Driver Training ?


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