Toronto ETF (the security company)

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Hattie » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:05 pm

Bitterman wrote:I think you pretty much nailed it.
The main stream security we see day to day is simply there for insurance purposes. It's certainly not there to fight crime and keep the world safe for democracy.
They're a token measure towards liability and loss.

There certainly are private security companies that provide what you might call "high end" "high risk" services, but they aren't the ones you see advertising jobs in the paper or shilling on fuckin' Instagram.
They probably do their best to remain anonymous and unknown beyond their cohort of clientele.

I'm not going to be surprised if it's revealed that this etf guy is simply parody in the vein of the now infamous Gecko45

Lol...


There are some exceptions, such as in-house security jobs but the bulk of mainstream is contract security. Great example of awesome in-house in Alberta is West Edmonton Mall security. There is a reason EPS hires from there and includes them in suggested places to gain experience/job stability. They kit them out decently well and they actually have the capability of dealing with stuff. Pay isn't that much greater than contract work but the process is way more competitive and I bet there is better job satisfaction and better retention for those who do not wish to move on to law enforcement.

But again, that isn't common compared to contract openings. The higher end stuff would be exactly as you explained. They don't advertise on Kijiji. They get referred by their clients and cater to specific industries (body guards for celebrities/CEOs come to mind).


This all reminds me of identifying the guys who claim they are special forces and black ops guys who did stuff so secret the government denies they exist. They are so obvious and outrageous but they still manage to fool the impressionable. The real deal don't advertise out in the open and they certainly don't post pictures all over the internet.

It is entertaining to say the least and I enjoy checking in on this often. :lol:
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Chartrand13 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:00 pm

Universities in places across Ontario are similar. I worked for the University of Ottawa as security and that is "top notch" security. Excellent pay (and I mean excellent) for a security job, amazing benefits, free schooling. If I never got hired as an officer I never would have left. They had an excellent hiring process, psych tests and all, great training and use of force training. Awesome co-workers, dispatch, etc. Great working relationship with Ottawa Police. I can count off the top of my head 7 of us that worked there who are all now O Dots.

Before I got there I did the Garda thing at a mall to gain experience. Was decent, but again, a warm body. If you're looking for good security jobs, look in house like people have said. Working in house at the University for hands down the best experience I got that lead me to where I got.

Looking like tactical SWAT guys as security is ridiculous and pointless. Like its been said before, gives the wrong impression and setting yourself up for getting hurt.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Rareform » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:16 am

Chartrand13 wrote:Universities in places across Ontario are similar. I worked for the University of Ottawa as security and that is "top notch" security. Excellent pay (and I mean excellent) for a security job, amazing benefits, free schooling.


Speaking of non-special constable university security, the University of Victoria (UVIC) here in British Columbia has an excellent hiring process that is definitely steps above contract security hiring processes, has decent pay ($45,000 to $50,000), good benefits, and nice schedules. The process is pretty similar to BC Sheriffs, BC Corrections and BC Conservation - lifestyle & integrity questionnaire, panel interview, PARE test, Computer, Voice Stress Analysis interview, background screening and then a visit to the doctor.

Vancouver Island Health Authority also has decent prerequisites and hiring process (similarities to UVIC), nice benefits, great pay for a security gig ($50,000 to $60,000) and good schedules, but again they're an in-house program. Talking to their in-house security department, it seems they have had problems with healthcare security contractors they brought in to fill gaps in coverage in the past who were basically hired to do exactly the same job. I had one fellow tell me that one of the contractor's guards was so incompetent, that the VIHA security guards escorted the contractor's guard off the premises and told the guard never to comeback unless he was a patient.

You rarely ever see such standards or robust hiring processes in the contract security industry.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby kingmodified » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:00 am

Well......

In case anyone wants to, ETFSEC is hiring $14-20.00 CAD for Security/Concierge.

Though, you have to have strong communications pal skills and asense of the criminal code of canada TPA act/powers of arrest".

I recommend everyone apply as they seem to be on the up and up now and going to do some major things.....busting gang bangers and tactically clearing stairwells...

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Postby IndictableChaser » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:38 am

kingmodified wrote:Well......

In case anyone wants to, ETFSEC is hiring $14-20.00 CAD for Security/Concierge.

Though, you have to have strong communications pal skills and asense of the criminal code of canada TPA act/powers of arrest".

I recommend everyone apply as they seem to be on the up and up now and going to do some major things.....busting gang bangers and tactically clearing stairwells...

I would love to know how anyone would actually get paid $20 an hour to work concierge...
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Postby kingmodified » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:45 am

I wish I could tell you.....

More seriously I wish I knew how they are still operating.

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Boxer Dogs » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:14 pm

IndictableChaser wrote:
kingmodified wrote:Well......

In case anyone wants to, ETFSEC is hiring $14-20.00 CAD for Security/Concierge.

Though, you have to have strong communications pal skills and asense of the criminal code of canada TPA act/powers of arrest".

I recommend everyone apply as they seem to be on the up and up now and going to do some major things.....busting gang bangers and tactically clearing stairwells...

I would love to know how anyone would actually get paid $20 an hour to work concierge...


Well, the guy did write a million dollar cheque to himself. He can afford it. :D
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Postby mack_silent » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:25 pm

IndictableChaser wrote:
kingmodified wrote:Well......

In case anyone wants to, ETFSEC is hiring $14-20.00 CAD for Security/Concierge.

Though, you have to have strong communications pal skills and asense of the criminal code of canada TPA act/powers of arrest".

I recommend everyone apply as they seem to be on the up and up now and going to do some major things.....busting gang bangers and tactically clearing stairwells...

I would love to know how anyone would actually get paid $20 an hour to work concierge...


I doubt they're paying anyone 20 / hour. The typical client doesn't want to pay anything over 20-28/hour.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby noanykey » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:40 pm

You'd get the low end of $14 for concierge, the $20 is probably working as a overnight security officer for a worn down hospital where getting stabbed by a rusty needle is as common as pouring your coffee.
A friend is a security officer here in BC for a hospital where Naloxone is the first thing any doctor grabs... $14.50 an hour.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Floydie » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:01 pm

Boxer Dogs wrote:
IndictableChaser wrote:I would love to know how anyone would actually get paid $20 an hour to work concierge...


Well, the guy did write a million dollar cheque to himself. He can afford it. :D


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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Hattie » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:33 pm

Boxer Dogs wrote:
IndictableChaser wrote:
kingmodified wrote:Well......

In case anyone wants to, ETFSEC is hiring $14-20.00 CAD for Security/Concierge.

Though, you have to have strong communications pal skills and asense of the criminal code of canada TPA act/powers of arrest".

I recommend everyone apply as they seem to be on the up and up now and going to do some major things.....busting gang bangers and tactically clearing stairwells...

I would love to know how anyone would actually get paid $20 an hour to work concierge...


Well, the guy did write a million dollar cheque to himself. He can afford it. :D


Wish he'd try and deposit/cash it! :twisted:
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Punisher-One » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:03 pm

I wonder how the $14/hr law in Ontario will affect Security companies like these? Less staff per site I would guess. The client sites won't want a 21% increase in costs and the contract firms will certainly not eat a 21% reduction in profits. Likely a mall with 3 guards per shift is going to go to 1 guard. Dangerous for the lone guy/gal to be sure.

I disliked doing contract security. They really take advantage of young people that want a good reference when they apply to the Police.

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby No 20 Year Medal » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:57 am

Security guard pulls a knife on an alleged shoplifter. If you click on the news link you'll see the knife in her right hand. :roll:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/toys-r-us-knife-security-guard-1.4427808

A security guard at a Winnipeg toy store has been fired after a video appears to show her pulling out a knife as she tries to stop an alleged shoplifter. Sandra Houston and her husband had just walked into the the Polo Park Toys "R" Us store Tuesday night when they saw a security guard and a woman arguing at an entrance. "There was punching, there was slapping, pulling hair and whatnot," Houston said, adding she pulled out her phone to start taking a video. "I thought that [the guard] was grabbing handcuffs — but she didn't grab handcuffs, she grabbed a knife. Customers can be heard gasping in the video, which is just over a minute long, when the security guard appears to pull a knife out of her back pocket while she continues to struggle with the woman with her other hand. Houston said the store manager quickly intervened, taking the knife out of the guard's hand and placing it in a nearby bin. She said customers in the store were terrified. "They walked out. They put the toys down, and they walked out," she said. "They said 'I'm not doing this' and they walked away."

Emergency Security Management, which employed the security guard at the store, said the guard lost her job after an internal investigation showed she broke a number of protocols. "ESM personnel are not permitted to carry any form of weapon or anything that can be perceived as a weapon," the company said in an emailed statement. "ESM [apologizes] to the customer involved, Toys "R" Us and its staff, as well as any customer who witnessed the incident." Clint Gaudry, Toys "R" Us vice-president of marketing and store planning, said in a statement emailed to CBC that the guard was employed by the outside vendor, and she went too far. "The role of the security guard is to provide a visual presence to deter delinquent behaviour," he said. "Unfortunately in this instance, the security guard did not follow proper protocols and attempted to intervene during an attempted theft. "We apologize to our customers who witnessed the altercation." Toys "R" Us is working with local authorities as they carry out their investigation, Gaudry said. Houston said the guard "put everybody else in danger and she only thought about herself instead of anybody else." "That was crazy. It was really nuts, and it should not have even happened," she said.
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Postby Punisher-One » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:56 am

Wow......just.....wow.

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Hattie » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:53 pm

Now just switch it to scissors and dog spray and voila!

Was it deployed by centrifugal force? :P

I bet these things happen more often than ever gets reported.
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