Toronto ETF (the security company)

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Fonthill » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:01 pm

Has this company been fined or charged yet ?

I respect the people wanting to work for free, but come on ?? Lol

When I say for free, I mean cheap wage. Observe and Report.
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Postby Rareform » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:14 pm

Yes, they have been dinged with violation tickets and had other charges previously.

Only a matter of time before it happens again.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Hattie » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:01 am

IndictableChaser wrote:It just doesn't stop

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You also need a real badge and forage cap

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Boxer Dogs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:55 am

mack_silent wrote:
Boxer Dogs wrote:In BC, a Security Guard carrying or using a badge could be issued a VT for $115. Does Ontario have such a Law?


Yes, Ontario prohibits security guards from carrying badges. The fines are much larger though. (upto $25,000)


Up to $25,000? That’s a huge fine!! I wonder if they got badges for all their employees or if the owner just bought one online for himself?
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby devilwoman » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:45 pm

Has this company been fined or charged yet ?

I respect the people wanting to work for free, but come on ?? Lol

When I say for free, I mean cheap wage. Observe and Report.


They have been fined before and there's more on the way.

I had a friend forward me the charges and short form wordings for offenses under SG act. Once I get back from vacation, there will be some happy hunting.
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Postby Rareform » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:38 pm

devilwoman wrote:I had a friend forward me the charges and short form wordings for offenses under SG act. Once I get back from vacation, there will be some happy hunting.


This sounds awesome. I hope the book being dropped on them is being dropped from the top of a sky-scraper, need that terminal velocity for maximum legislated effect.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Fonthill » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:53 pm

Simplimatics wrote:
devilwoman wrote:I had a friend forward me the charges and short form wordings for offenses under SG act. Once I get back from vacation, there will be some happy hunting.


This sounds awesome. I hope the book being dropped on them is being dropped from the top of a sky-scraper, need that terminal velocity for maximum legislated effect.


They should suspend or revoke their SG license

Doesn’t seem the SG Act is working if they have wanna be company’s like this doing illegal business on the Act
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Hattie » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:38 am

Fonthill wrote:They should suspend or revoke their SG license

Doesn’t seem the SG Act is working if they have wanna be company’s like this doing illegal business on the Act


There probably aren't too many compliance checks occurring or people don't care enough to complain so they get away with it until someone finally calls them out on it. I didn't know they were violating any laws until those who live there mentioned it.

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Side note since they (ETF) have sew-ons: Does anyone know why officers in the states wear their badges but officer/members here do not?
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby IndictableChaser » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:10 am

Hattie wrote:
Fonthill wrote:They should suspend or revoke their SG license

Doesn’t seem the SG Act is working if they have wanna be company’s like this doing illegal business on the Act


There probably aren't too many compliance checks occurring or people don't care enough to complain so they get away with it until someone finally calls them out on it. I didn't know they were violating any laws until those who live there mentioned it.

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Side note since they (ETF) have sew-ons: Does anyone know why officers in the states wear their badges but officer/members here do not?

Regina police does
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Hattie » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:33 am

IndictableChaser wrote:
Hattie wrote:
Fonthill wrote:They should suspend or revoke their SG license

Doesn’t seem the SG Act is working if they have wanna be company’s like this doing illegal business on the Act


There probably aren't too many compliance checks occurring or people don't care enough to complain so they get away with it until someone finally calls them out on it. I didn't know they were violating any laws until those who live there mentioned it.

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Side note since they (ETF) have sew-ons: Does anyone know why officers in the states wear their badges but officer/members here do not?

Regina police does


I see that now. Seems municipal police services in Saskatchewan do but Alberta doesn't. Interesting. Other places probably do as well. Might just be an Alberta thing.
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Postby devilwoman » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:19 am


There probably aren't too many compliance checks occurring or people don't care enough to complain so they get away with it until someone finally calls them out on it. I didn't know they were violating any laws until those who live there mentioned it.


There not a lot of investigators in the province. The ones that are here, work mostly out of TO and have to travel all over the province.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Pete Broccolo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:40 am

IndictableChaser wrote:
Hattie wrote:
Fonthill wrote:They should suspend or revoke their SG license

Doesn’t seem the SG Act is working if they have wanna be company’s like this doing illegal business on the Act


There probably aren't too many compliance checks occurring or people don't care enough to complain so they get away with it until someone finally calls them out on it. I didn't know they were violating any laws until those who live there mentioned it.

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Side note since they (ETF) have sew-ons: Does anyone know why officers in the states wear their badges but officer/members here do not?

Regina police does

From what I understand, the RCMP did not even issue metal ID badges until the 1950s or 1960s, as I read a story about how, during WWII, members in Saskatchewan who were repairing radio tower sites were approached by farmers with firearms who thought the members were Nazi / Axis "agents" - the members supposedly showed the "warrants of appointment", or ID cards.

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby noanykey » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:13 pm

If you haven't seen the baton video, it's worth a check out.

I'm sure he did a million takes and THAT was the best one.
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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby EsivarT » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:47 pm

noanykey wrote:If you haven't seen the baton video, it's worth a check out.

I'm sure he did a million takes and THAT was the best one.


My mom died at that one.

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Re: Toronto ETF (the security company)

Postby Rareform » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:11 pm

devilwoman wrote:There not a lot of investigators in the province. The ones that are here, work mostly out of TO and have to travel all over the province.


Same with British Columbia, there aren't very many investigators here either. Investigators here belong to the Ministry of Attorney General - Security Programs Division, though. To my understanding, they do a lot of travelling as well and are also responsible for vehicle armor and armored cars, body armor and metal recyclers on top of security licensing and applicable regulations.

Seems like a strained resource, that's a lot of stuff to look at.
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