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Encrypted scanners

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:03 am
by EsivarT
I've always wondered what frontline Constable felt about this. You could say it's obvious but opinions vary right? I personally don't mind them being encrypted. However, a lot of freelancers don't.

I did like listening to my local service though. Too bad I was too young to help when and where I could!

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:24 am
by mack_silent
I am not a police officer, but my work just went from non encypted to encrypted radios.
I personally prefer the encrypted as it reduces the chance someone may use the information shared for unlawful purposes.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:26 pm
by bunnel
Our Service has had encrypted radio comms for about 20 years. It's hard to believe there are still some out there operating "in the clear".

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:04 am
by Boxer Dogs
For the first few years after I started, we had analog radios that anyone with a scanner could listen to. Now we have digital radios that a local scanner group hates because it is supposedly unmonitorable by a scanner.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:46 am
by Bomani
bunnel wrote:Our Service has had encrypted radio comms for about 20 years. It's hard to believe there are still some out there operating "in the clear".


Especially surprising in this era where there is so much oversight to avoid public complaints and uphold the publics confidence in police. Yet we still talk on unencrypted radio that Joe Blow is 10-66 in the SOR.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:38 am
by mack_silent
Bomani wrote:Especially surprising in this era where there is so much oversight to avoid public complaints and uphold the publics confidence in police. Yet we still talk on unencrypted radio that Joe Blow is 10-66 in the SOR.


There was an issue in Peel region the other day with 100+ motorcyclists driving in a pack and disregarding road safety. (running red lights, speeding, stunting, etc)
I found this video, which shows a bystander using a radio scanner to intercept OPP/Peel's radio talk about the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQp75QQUhrg (3:05 mark has the scanner usage)

Encrypted is the way to go.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:09 pm
by Minimum Wage Warrior
I use encrypted now in an urban area. My first post was rural and there simply was no way they were going to spend the kind of money needed to encrypt our comms.

It makes life harder for news outlets and tow operators but I'm all for encrypted. So much personal information gets aired. I would hate to be someone with mental health or domestic issues and have my neighbours get my whole history aired to them while members are attending my house for what could be a nothing call. People may speculate that there is something going on because they can't hear the radio but the reality of every media ride-along shows that nothing nefarious happens. People just don't need other people knowing about their personal lives.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:19 pm
by Mr. Islander
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Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:36 pm
by Tango5
Mr. Islander wrote:The public don't need to hear our comms. Simple as that. If something happens that the public needs to know about, they will be informed; whether it's through a media release, social media post, radio, etc.

I certainly don't want some random person knowing where I am and what I'm doing all the time, and I don't know any officer that would.


This^^^

Absolutely right!

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:43 pm
by Respond Wayne
mack_silent wrote:
Bomani wrote:Especially surprising in this era where there is so much oversight to avoid public complaints and uphold the publics confidence in police. Yet we still talk on unencrypted radio that Joe Blow is 10-66 in the SOR.


There was an issue in Peel region the other day with 100+ motorcyclists driving in a pack and disregarding road safety. (running red lights, speeding, stunting, etc)
I found this video, which shows a bystander using a radio scanner to intercept OPP/Peel's radio talk about the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQp75QQUhrg (3:05 mark has the scanner usage)

Encrypted is the way to go.


That was OPP who is not encrypted... the odd time if there's something big on the go, they will patch Toronto Police / Peel Police / York Police with the OPP, that's the only time you get to hear the encrypted radios... This past April there was a brief pursuit in the west end of Toronto that ended up on the 427, the pursuit was terminated but the vehicle crashed and the occupants took off on foot, so the OPP and Toronto Police were patched together... I was heading home from work when I drove past the fresh scene...

https://youtu.be/o6m2LX9ifUQ

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:00 pm
by Tango5
I wanted to edit my post but... Since Wayner posted..

I don't know much about radios, never mind the encrypted technology, however, I was made to believe that one, having the right equipment, can still listen to the encrypted transmission for few seconds before 'it' changes frequency.

There is a user on Tweeter called ScanBC who appears to know a lot what's going on in Lower Mainland at any given moment.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:36 pm
by Respond Wayne
Encrypted radios are pretty secure from what I understand.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:08 pm
by Dave Jenkins
Tango5 wrote:I wanted to edit my post but... Since Wayner posted..

I don't know much about radios, never mind the encrypted technology, however, I was made to believe that one, having the right equipment, can still listen to the encrypted transmission for few seconds before 'it' changes frequency.

There is a user on Tweeter called ScanBC who appears to know a lot what's going on in Lower Mainland at any given moment.


Digital - sends information in a digitally coded block of information. Need a digital receiver or all you will here is noise.

Trunked - trunked radio uses a number of frequencies for a system. Rather than channels there are "talk-groups" that define who will included in specific communications. Trunked radios use a talk-group identifier coding to tell radios of a specific talk group what frequency will be in use. Very random.

Police, Fire, EMS and city works can use the same system and frequencies without ever interfering with each other. Without the guard identifier coding you can't listen in.

Trunked radios were developed, as was digital, to make the most out of the limited radio spectrum. Very crowded in North America.

Encrypted - digitally encrypts transmissions. Only radios with proper decryption coding can hear the transmission.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:11 pm
by Tango5
He reports events from:
FD, PD and EMS out of multiple jurisdictions.

Re: Encrypted scanners

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:16 pm
by Tango5
@dave Jenkins.

Thanks bro.