Surrey Community Patrol Officers

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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby IndictableChaser » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:42 pm

Tango5 wrote:
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Tango5 wrote:BC doesn't allow the carring of batons by security personnel. One can carry restrains i.e. hand cuffs if completes Advanced Training at JIBC having the endorsement listed on their license.


So call them community guides (or whatever) not security, which in turn means they can have batons. When you think about it it's completely fucking idiotic.


Ok. I think I am lost then.. :)

Not sure what you are referring to honestly. What are the community guides?
I thought we are talking about the common security guard.

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I am last to argue but, have you seen those on streets?


I was referring to how security in BC can't have batons.

In this case, community guide (there are different names for them) are pretty much people hired by a BIA to be an extra presence (directions for people, deal with minor issues etc) So hypothetically, if they were not labelled as security guards then they could have batons (this side tangent has nothing to do with community patrol officers)
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Tango5 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:48 pm

Ah, ok.

I misinterpreted this > :crazy: with the bold text.

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I believe one has to have a Peace Officer status to be able to carry any type of UoF tools. (Call it self defence weapons) and appropriate training/certification of course.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby shootemup » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:44 pm

Don't they already have CSO's working under the RCMP banner - Is this sort of the same thing, only under bylaws?
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Tango5 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:47 pm

No one knows and they aren't telling. :ponder:
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Tango5 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:11 pm

Could be this >
http://www.thenownewspaper.com/communit ... obile=true

Don't we love the guessing games?
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Rareform » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:19 pm

Tango5 wrote:Could be this >
http://www.thenownewspaper.com/communit ... obile=true

Don't we love the guessing games?


That looks like what it could potentially be. Guess we'll find out. Hope their program takes after the RCMP CSO's or Alberta CPO model.

Seems like it's the future of non-police municipal law enforcement and police support services.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby noanykey » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:10 pm

Not sure if this is what you're looking for.. but I JUST renewed my BST today and I took a look at weapons.

More info - http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws ... 0_207_2008 - SECURITY SERVICES REGULATION
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws ... 0_07030_01 - Security Services Act

Equipment
11 (1) Subject to subsection (2), a security worker licensee must not carry or use while engaged in security work, and a person must not cause a security worker licensee to carry or use while engaged in security work, any of the following:

(a) a restraining device;
(b) any weapon, ammunition or device prohibited by the Criminal Code;
(c) any other item designed for debilitating or controlling a person or animal.
(2) The registrar may authorize, on any conditions the registrar considers appropriate, a security worker licensee to carry and use the equipment referred to in subsection (1) (a).
(3) A security worker licensee must surrender any equipment referred to in subsection (1) to an inspector on request.


It was stated above, I think by Tango that AST allows use of handcuffs.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Tango5 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:36 pm

Yes, I did say that because of this > http://www.jibc.ca/programs-courses/sch ... y-training

Not sure how the exemption applies tho and to whom. One might have to be in a specific line of Security job/field.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Rareform » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:37 pm

Had AST. Required it for loss prevention and for security at a large mall because hand cuffs were a requirement.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby noanykey » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:44 am

I did LP for a few months without AST.. Never again.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Rareform » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:20 am

noanykey wrote:I did LP for a few months without AST.. Never again.



That sounds like a bad experience. :!:

They didn't expect you to go hands-on did they?
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Boxer Dogs » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:01 pm

Re-reading the ad it says they want applicatants to have the Bylaw Enforcement and Investigative Skills course. Having read that it's probably likely that they won't be security guards. As for UOF tools, some bylaw officers in BC have spray/baton and some don't. Does anyone know if Surrey Bylaw has UOF tools?
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby noanykey » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:19 pm

Simplimatics wrote:
noanykey wrote:I did LP for a few months without AST.. Never again.



That sounds like a bad experience. :!:

They didn't expect you to go hands-on did they?


I was bouncing and wanted to branch out with security. Tried LPO.. I wasn't a fan.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Tango5 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:17 pm

Boxer Dogs wrote:Re-reading the ad it says they want applicatants to have the Bylaw Enforcement and Investigative Skills course. Having read that it's probably likely that they won't be security guards. As for UOF tools, some bylaw officers in BC have spray/baton and some don't. Does anyone know if Surrey Bylaw has UOF tools?


There is a posting on the Surrey website listing open current and future By-Law positions which lists the course as an requirement.

This Community Patrol Officer gig seems different. They list the bylaw course as Asset not a requirement. At least this is how I read it.
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Re: Surrey Community Patrol Officers

Postby Rareform » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:31 am

Maybe someone here should apply incognito and see if they can get a response with their application?
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