Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby WN85 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:36 pm

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Pete Broccolo » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:56 pm

A fellow, originally from Weyburn area, moved to the USA and joined a Department that REQUIRED him to be both a Police Officer AND Fire Fighter - work some shifts with a gun, others dragging a hose, with FF gear always carried with him. Now THAT was nuts, as far as I am concerned.

Do ONE job, execute it properly, and relax - or maybe it was just because I was having to "voluntarily" be on-call all those years!

To re-emphasize, I say, cut the length of FF shifts and have them go hard for 8s. If that means little, or no, secondary employment, then why belly-ache about your full-time gig??!
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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby IndictableChaser » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:46 pm

Pete Broccolo wrote:A fellow, originally from Weyburn area, moved to the USA and joined a Department that REQUIRED him to be both a Police Officer AND Fire Fighter - work some shifts with a gun, others dragging a hose, with FF gear always carried with him. Now THAT was nuts, as far as I am concerned.

Do ONE job, execute it properly, and relax - or maybe it was just because I was having to "voluntarily" be on-call all those years!

To re-emphasize, I say, cut the length of FF shifts and have them go hard for 8s. If that means little, or no, secondary employment, then why belly-ache about your full-time gig??!


To add to that point, many agencies in the US employ public safety officers, a mix of FIRE/EMS/Police.
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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Respond Wayne » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:55 pm

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Canadian Blue » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:11 pm

Paramedics are the most underpaid, undervalued, undercompensated, and overworked profession of all the emergency services.

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Postby Pete Broccolo » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:20 pm

Canadian Blue wrote:Paramedics are the most underpaid, undervalued, undercompensated, and overworked profession of all the emergency services.

Yeah, now THOSE gals and guys DO sleep on nights around here, but their cheques are not all that great. Raise the pay, shorten the shifts and all would be good.
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Postby Madeline236 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:42 pm

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby basketcase » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:48 am

I'm not sure how he(she?) can complain about not having time to sleep because call volumes are so high. Perhaps if the fire department stopped responding to calls for service that have absolutely nothing to do with the fire service they would have more time to sleep. Don't get me wrong, I believe in tiered response for some calls. But I think it would be wise to just keep on driving when you see the ambulance already at the scene for the medical call or the police ready at scene for the PD only MVC with no extrication required.

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Postby Pete Broccolo » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:41 am

Weyburn FD used to respond to ALL EMS calls in the city, which I thought was goofy. Yes, the FF (the 6 f-t, and the 30-some Reservists (IMHO, a much more accurate title, reflecting their commitment, training and that they are paid for training and call-out, similar to CAF Reservists)) ARE trained in First Aid / CPR / AED use, but that is NOT their main focus, NOR should they be pulled-away to those calls that do NOT involve putting-out and / or investigating the cause of fires.

From my extremely unwashed view it SEEMS like a case of call-padding, which is ridiculous, but what do I know? Hey, I am all for, "We're all one team, we all back each other!", blah, blah, blah. However, when it comes to staffing and justification of duties, again: EMS puts the darts in the arms, FD&R throws retardant on the flames, and the Police watch the backs of the other 2 and / or follows up as to how and why it all went down as required.

In many ways, is my opinion on this NOT in-line with Union / Association thought-process? No cross-over, do your own work, get paid for what you a trained and hired for, get more bodies and stop expecting more-from-less? I am willing to be corrected...and violently, if need be!
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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Tango5 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:15 pm

Sirrey BC stats - calls for service.

Focus Shows Change In Our Career

Firefighters’ focus has changed. Departments like the Surrey Fire Services (SFS) are attending dramatically increasing numbers of medicals (almost 20,000 in 2010) and motor vehicle accidents (close to 4000 in 2010). In fact, out of over 26,000 calls to the SFS in 2010, only 1281 calls were fire related.



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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Punisher-One » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:28 pm

Pete Broccolo wrote:From my extremely unwashed view it SEEMS like a case of call-padding


That's exactly what it is. Same with attending accidents that don't need FD and then charging people $400/truck that wasn't needed. It's to say "we attended xxxx number of calls this year we need more money, more trucks, more firefighters, and more truck-wax!"

Some jurisdictions in Canada have been talking about getting rid of Paramedics and just having firefighters. That idea, to me, is insane! A firefighter has the same CPR/First-Aid as I do. A Paramedic has 2 years at a College paramedic program.....yeah...I want them to save me.

We need firefighters don't get me wrong. They are good at what they do and do save lives. They just shouldn't be working 24hrs once a week or trying to be something they are not.

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby SPARTAN » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:50 pm

Punisher-One wrote:
Pete Broccolo wrote:From my extremely unwashed view it SEEMS like a case of call-padding


That's exactly what it is. Same with attending accidents that don't need FD and then charging people $400/truck that wasn't needed. It's to say "we attended xxxx number of calls this year we need more money, more trucks, more firefighters, and more truck-wax!"

Some jurisdictions in Canada have been talking about getting rid of Paramedics and just having firefighters. That idea, to me, is insane! A firefighter has the same CPR/First-Aid as I do. A Paramedic has 2 years at a College paramedic program.....yeah...I want them to save me.

We need firefighters don't get me wrong. They are good at what they do and do save lives. They just shouldn't be working 24hrs once a week or trying to be something they are not.

In Winnipeg it was mandated that Paramedics and Firefighters were joined together into one service.
FIrefighters were being cross trained to basic paramedic, and paramedics were being cross trained to basic firefighter.

It was mandated that Fire MUST be dispatched if Paramedics are dispatched. WEMS is finally getting acknowledged as a separate entity (in the same department of Wpg Fire and Paramedic Service. )

It has not been a good experience between the two cultures clashing.
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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Madeline236 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:02 pm

SPARTAN wrote:
Punisher-One wrote:
Pete Broccolo wrote:From my extremely unwashed view it SEEMS like a case of call-padding


That's exactly what it is. Same with attending accidents that don't need FD and then charging people $400/truck that wasn't needed. It's to say "we attended xxxx number of calls this year we need more money, more trucks, more firefighters, and more truck-wax!"

Some jurisdictions in Canada have been talking about getting rid of Paramedics and just having firefighters. That idea, to me, is insane! A firefighter has the same CPR/First-Aid as I do. A Paramedic has 2 years at a College paramedic program.....yeah...I want them to save me.

We need firefighters don't get me wrong. They are good at what they do and do save lives. They just shouldn't be working 24hrs once a week or trying to be something they are not.

In Winnipeg it was mandated that Paramedics and Firefighters were joined together into one service.
FIrefighters were being cross trained to basic paramedic, and paramedics were being cross trained to basic firefighter.

It was mandated that Fire MUST be dispatched if Paramedics are dispatched. WEMS is finally getting acknowledged as a separate entity (in the same department of Wpg Fire and Paramedic Service. )

It has not been a good experience between the two cultures clashing.


I thought I heard that cross training thing died?

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby fatboy » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:00 am

Pete Broccolo wrote:
Canadian Blue wrote:Paramedics are the most underpaid, undervalued, undercompensated, and overworked profession of all the emergency services.

Yeah, now THOSE gals and guys DO sleep on nights around here, but their cheques are not all that great. Raise the pay, shorten the shifts and all would be good.



Yes indeed they definitely do, and I truly don't see that changing any time soon. Its been a while since I've kept up with it, but a few years ago the research was definitely slanting towards 24 hour shifts with a "sleep" period being far easier on the mental and physical health than the traditional shift rotations, with much more potential for longevity. With the light being shined on all the first responded suicides, I feel like it would be a pretty bad idea to change things up in a way that's going to be LESS healthy.

I'm not super offended by it either way. I'm not sure about in Canada's history, but "Guard bunks" used to be a thing in British correctional facilities, tons of medical staff sleep at night, my friend in the US marines used to work 19 hours shifts(what a ridiculously weird shift length), and they would each take turns napping, alot of oilfield workers sleep until their service is necessary on site, if some other job wants to, and can sleep on their shifts good for them, I am not bothered in the least.


Also to the guy speaking of jurisdictions replacing paramedics with firefighters with just first aid, I think you must be confused. Perhaps moving towards a "firemedic" model (which by the way has been a VERY successful model in alot of places), but nobody is going to replace BLS and ALS with "the same first aid you have".

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Re: Cops VS Fireman..the reality.

Postby Punisher-One » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:36 pm

fatboy wrote:Also to the guy speaking of jurisdictions replacing paramedics with firefighters with just first aid, I think you must be confused. Perhaps moving towards a "firemedic" model (which by the way has been a VERY successful model in alot of places), but nobody is going to replace BLS and ALS with "the same first aid you have".


What a waste of money it would be sending firemen to school for 2 years to obtain a Paramedic qualification so that a base hospital would sign off on them.
As of right now, for budget justification, they are being sent to calls that require Paramedics. They, as of now, have the exact same first-aid training I do. Giant waste of money and resources.
They should be taking their time to do inspections of premises and issuing fines for non-compliance.


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