Do LEOs value Security personel?

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Rareform » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:44 pm

KJC33 wrote:I've had contractor's at the hospital refuse to show me ID when I asked them for it, just to do my due diligence. Which they refused, so I simply told them than I don't have to allow you access to your job site. It's a courtesy, I just want to ensure they are who they say they are. It should come as common sense/knowledge and the vast majority of the younger generation of Security Guards want to, at some point, become Police Officers.

But again, hearing these stories doesn't surprise me! Which is why I strong believe the Security Industry won't evolve into something more. Ie, taser, contracted as Special Constables, etc.

Don't get me wrong I truly believe that Healthcare Security is the best experience if you want to get into policing, and the small percentage of us that take it serious and want to progress get over shadowed by stories like this!


For the security industry to go a long way, the standards and training have to increase. Plus, the salaries and appropriate legislation have to go with it. There are good people in the contract security industry, but the lower your standards, the crappier the applicants you will attract.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby mack_silent » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:31 am

+1 to Simplimatics' post.

Training is key to any job.
Employers should give their staff ample training and tools to succeed. Staff are their investment and their job performance outcomes will be the reward.
Unfortunately, many security companies focus on filling positions quickly instead of carefully. So the training is insufficient and the worker is a simply a warm body.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby noanykey » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:45 pm

mack_silent wrote:+1 to Simplimatics' post.

Training is key to any job.
Employers should give their staff ample training and tools to succeed. Staff are their investment and their job performance outcomes will be the reward.
Unfortunately, many security companies focus on filling positions quickly instead of carefully. So the training is insufficient and the worker is a simply a warm body.


+10 to mack's post.

When the festival season starts here in BC, craigslist is swamped with job postings looking to hire any security, they have to fill the contracts. I stay away from them like the plague. If my backup involves someone who is going to run away from confrontation, no thank you.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby mack_silent » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:13 pm

That's a smart decision to stay away from those companies.

Many years ago, I found a similar online job posting for event security.
The company hiring didn't strike me as competent, so I decided not to work for them.
Weeks after the event, I found out they were investigated and fined for multiple ministry violations.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Shawshank » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:44 pm

mack_silent wrote:That's a smart decision to stay away from those companies.

Many years ago, I found a similar online job posting for event security.
The company hiring didn't strike me as competent, so I decided not to work for them.
Weeks after the event, I found out they were investigated and fined for multiple ministry violations.


Was it aeroguard?
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby mack_silent » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:22 pm

Shawshank wrote:Was it aeroguard?


I can't remember the name, but they were covering the Charlie Sheen tour event.
They got multiple infractions for unlicensed guards / uniform violations.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Boxer Dogs » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:56 am

Simplimatics wrote: but the lower your standards, the crappier the applicants you will attract.


I agree 100 %. I ticketed a few Security Guards on their way to/from work in the last year. Most of them were using a UPass illegally (and lying about being the R/O) and one was illegally using his wife's disability pass. The one using his wife's pass tried to hide the fact he was using it with slight of hand and then trying to claim it was his name on the pass. He was NOT happy that he was ticketed and the pass seized. All these guys were wearing their uniforms. Imagine how that looked :roll: There are also some really good people in the Private Security industry. I think the Private Security Industry could be good with proper screening of applicants and proper wages/benefits.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby ShadowBrooks » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:15 am

I had a coworker man handle me into a private room in a hospital. I reported this issue and he had it out with the field manager I'm surprised he was not fired. His entire defense to taking me out, was that I reported too quickly to an incident and that his fat butt cant walk that quickly so we should go slow as a team (whilst nurses are being shit kicked). This individual also tried to create site policy that was different than the entire health authority (eg. we do not look for missing patients as its a waste of time).

I'm sure hes still working there and got a raise for being a warm enough body, I decided to go elsewhere and with that a pension plan.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Rareform » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:03 pm

I worked at a few hospitals and had my share of "interesting" security staff. But, if there was anyone who stood out in my mind, it was a woman who was completely useless during Code Whites, RCMP drop-offs and any other issues that may have gone hands-on. She would show up and just stand there and watch while nursing staff, other security personnel and/or police were wrestling with patients or other non-compliant persons - visitors, family, etc.

During training, when she went through the Code White and CPI Non-Violent Crisis Intervention training, she frustrated the instructors by refusing to go hands on and learn something. The instructors actually had to make her get involved with the course material. Her belief was no one would ever hit a woman, she was awfully naive for someone in her 40's. I don't even remember how she passed the courses. I also have no idea how she lasted as long as she did (just a little under a year).
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Shawshank » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:55 pm

Simplimatics wrote:I worked at a few hospitals and had my share of "interesting" security staff. But, if there was anyone who stood out in my mind, it was a woman who was completely useless during Code Whites, RCMP drop-offs and any other issues that may have gone hands-on. She would show up and just stand there and watch while nursing staff, other security personnel and/or police were wrestling with patients or other non-compliant persons - visitors, family, etc. During training, when she went through the Code White and CPI Non-Violent Crisis Intervention training, she frustrated the instructors by refusing to go hands on and learn something. The instructors actually had to make her get involved with the course material. Her belief was no one would ever hit a woman, she was awfully naive for someone in her 40's. I don't even remember how she passed the courses. I also have no idea how she lasted as long as she did (just a little under a year).


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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Bomani » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:49 am

I'm arriving to the thread late , however, let me ensure you that myself as well as other officers I currently work with do appreciate most security guards. Having worked in 3 municipal police services to date, in 3 different provinces I've had the pleasure of assisting and being provided with assistance from a number of different security guards. We (police) always appreciate a call , or a heads up, or an extra hand with an arrest or even an extra pair of eyes, keeping in mind its within reason. I always make sure to let the security in the area know what's going on if we are responding to a major incident as they are a valuable set of extra eyes.

I'll go out on a limb here now, and some of you may disagree with me, however the most professional and most ''police-service-like'' security gig I've ever had the pleasure of working alongside as a police officer have been the folks at West Edmonton Mall. A great place to gain experience and get to work with the police alot for some valuable networking.

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Code44 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:10 pm

I've seen well known criminals who frequent cells/ jail working security more then once. And in my security days years ago many many many questionable hires but it's expected as security hires anyone. There is definitely good guys working security out there and they usually don't work it long before they leave to a good agency in law enforcement.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby allbrancereal » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:32 pm

Bomani wrote:I'm arriving to the thread late , however, let me ensure you that myself as well as other officers I currently work with do appreciate most security guards. Having worked in 3 municipal police services to date, in 3 different provinces I've had the pleasure of assisting and being provided with assistance from a number of different security guards. We (police) always appreciate a call , or a heads up, or an extra hand with an arrest or even an extra pair of eyes, keeping in mind its within reason. I always make sure to let the security in the area know what's going on if we are responding to a major incident as they are a valuable set of extra eyes.

I'll go out on a limb here now, and some of you may disagree with me, however the most professional and most ''police-service-like'' security gig I've ever had the pleasure of working alongside as a police officer have been the folks at West Edmonton Mall. A great place to gain experience and get to work with the police alot for some valuable networking.

That is all.


I agree. I see them in action during bourbon st gigs and they come across professional and switched on.

Wish I could say the same about some other mall security guys.

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Glanovsky » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:54 pm

Hello everybody,

I'm doing a bit of a thread revival here because I have to admit I am surprised by most of the comments that have been made here earlier in the discussion about low salaries in security jobs attracting monkeys and lack of judicial oversight. It might be because I come from a different Canada region than what has been said, e.g. Quebec, but I have to say its not the case here.

In Quebec, there is a governmental organization called « Bureau de la sécurité privé » that asks for everybody wanting to work as a security guard to take a government approved security course that costs 475,00$. Indeed, you don't need to do much to « pass » the course as there are no real tests... However, after you complete the course, you have to go through a security screening by the Bureau to ensure that you have no criminal record and that you are being of good morals. And IF you pass this screening, you are given the permit needed to work as a security guard. After you can go find a job.

As for the salary, it is overseen by a jobwide union, and right now it is 17,49$/h. I am saying this because I feel saddened by people who bash at security guards like that and who generalize, because as in EVERY job, even very important jobs like policeman, CBSA (Borderwatchman knows what I'm talking about XD), Corrections, where the average applicant is much better, there are rotten apples.

At the place where I am working, I am paid 18,50$ (including premiums), I enjoy very good working conditions, unionized, insured, social benefits and I have to do way more than just sit my fat ass looking at the stars outside. To some people, 18,50 might be bad, but to me, considering that it is 7,25$ higher than minimum wage and pretty easy to obtain, and paid even more than university students who are doing stages in their future jobs, I consider this VERY good. I used this to pay for my undergraduate studies, no student debt, a brand new car among other things, and I use this to pay for my masters studies.

BUT, there are some people, even though they enjoy these conditions, that are nothing but « warm bodies » here to act as a presence only. :wounded:

I wanted to talk about this because I wanted to expose the huge discrepancy between what I live and what I see, and to remind not to generalize.

Thank you for reading and adding your own two cents.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Pete Broccolo » Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:27 pm

Just remember - you are NOT Police Officers, NOR Peace Officers, unless SPECIFICALLY appointed for Municipal By-Law enforcement. You have limited authorization, and are restricted to dealing with issues at your site, nothing more. Be professional in your appearance, dealings with your clients, and in supplying information to the Police when required. Beyond that, you are NOT paid to do anything more, including getting hurt or dying. Your lack of defensive tools is a clue to your limitations, so be mindful of that.
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