Do LEOs value Security personel?

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby A.T.R. » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:30 pm

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Tony-Boogie wrote:IndictableChaser, we may be using differnet Pubs. I got my info from the Security Services Act as found on the bclaws website (link below). Your para 11 and the one I see are vastly different. The conclusion I made about the Lieutenant Governor in Council having the authority to allow a security worker to carry weapons comes from Part 6, para 52(3)(d). If I am wrong I will readily admit so.

http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/07030_01 Current Mar 9, 2016


No need to apologize, I was just curious about why bc is, well bc :)


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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby IndictableChaser » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:27 am

To hell with that, stomp the brakes and put that idea out the windshield
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Postby A.T.R. » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:15 am

These are funnier, over how long this thread has gone on.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby devilwoman » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:05 am

lot full of sea containers fresh from across the pond would be a juicy target, who wouldn't want millions of dollars worth of Apple products. Or to have easy shipping routes for contraband


That's what insurance policies are for. The revamped security legislation has done little to nothing to better the quality of security in this province and has, essentially, become a method for shady "security trainers" to extort money out of people to pass a ridiculous test. Beyond that, no one should ever be armed and use said firearm for the purpose of protecting goods. Firearms are for protection of life not property. If anyone should be armed, it should be special constables serving on campuses and transit systems as they protect people not replaceable goods.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Tony-Boogie » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:32 pm

devilwoman wrote:That's what insurance policies are for. The revamped security legislation has done little to nothing to better the quality of security in this province and has, essentially, become a method for shady "security trainers" to extort money out of people to pass a ridiculous test. Beyond that, no one should ever be armed and use said firearm for the purpose of protecting goods. Firearms are for protection of life not property. If anyone should be armed, it should be special constables serving on campuses and transit systems as they protect people not replaceable goods.


Agreed wrt lethal force. But what about giving everyone CEWs? More effective than a haymaker and less deadly. Transit/Campus security pros and cons would need its own thread.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Punisher-One » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:30 pm

Tony-Boogie wrote:
devilwoman wrote:That's what insurance policies are for. The revamped security legislation has done little to nothing to better the quality of security in this province and has, essentially, become a method for shady "security trainers" to extort money out of people to pass a ridiculous test. Beyond that, no one should ever be armed and use said firearm for the purpose of protecting goods. Firearms are for protection of life not property. If anyone should be armed, it should be special constables serving on campuses and transit systems as they protect people not replaceable goods.


Agreed wrt lethal force. But what about giving everyone CEWs? More effective than a haymaker and less deadly. Transit/Campus security pros and cons would need its own thread.


You would like minimum-wage security guards that have little to no training to be issued tasers when front-line Police Constables in most services still do not have them?

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Tony-Boogie » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:53 pm

Punisher-One wrote:You would like minimum-wage security guards that have little to no training to be issued tasers when front-line Police Constables in most services still do not have them?


Yes. Please. For the love of YouTube, please!!
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby IndictableChaser » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:32 pm

Just so you guys know I used to work armed security (not guard, like Brinks) Escorts, static protection of properties, alarm response to authorized facilities (warehouses with valuables) mobile patrols etc. Same shit unarmed rent-a-cops carry (baton, cuffs) but also with a Sidearm/Shotgun; and you know what? Not a single fuckup happened, how about that. :wave:

O and no one said anything about the use of firearms to protect valuables, and what difference does it make how much a security guard makes? Gov sets a prescribed standard (like the ATC 40 hour course) security companies must follow rules and regs or else they don't get pew pew sticks. Why couldn't the same be done for a fucking taser? The logic of some of you really has me worried. :banghead:

PS: Security like that still exists, just rare. But I've been out of that game for a while
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby noanykey » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:06 am

Security with the AST license are allowed to carry cuffs.

Personally, I see that as just another license fee. I work in the bars and events, a security guard who brings out cuffs to deal with an aggressive patron, is asking for a world of problems both verbally and potentially physically, not just from the patron but from the people watching as well.
However, LPO's that have them, I think it's a great idea.
Although, I haven't met too many LPO's that would approach a shoplifter who's desperate by themselves and for $13.00 an hour.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Punisher-One » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:15 am

IndictableChaser wrote:Just so you guys know I used to work armed security (not guard, like Brinks) Escorts, static protection of properties, alarm response to authorized facilities (warehouses with valuables) mobile patrols etc.


You would be very hard pressed to find any of that type of security in Ontario. I don't think any exist actually. The only armed security I've ever seen is Brinks/G4S money/valuables couriers and guarding valuables in jewellery stores.

IndictableChaser wrote:Same shit unarmed rent-a-cops carry (baton, cuffs)


Also most security in Ontario is not carrying even a baton. I don't care personally if security carries batons - I think that is fine FYI - just rare in Ontario.

IndictableChaser wrote:and what difference does it make how much a security guard makes?


Same reason Police pay good salaries - lower pay attracts lower quality candidates. A lot of security are simply people filling uniforms with no real people skills or security skills at all. I worked security for years and would never do it again. Low pay, low respect, no benefits, and you are there because the client's insurance rates are lowered by more than you cost to be there.

IndictableChaser wrote:Why couldn't the same be done for a fucking taser? The logic of some of you really has me worried. :banghead:


My logic being that I don't feel that the lowest bidder (because that is who gets security contracts and we both know it) company should be handing out tasers to security guards that aren't properly trained or screened prior to hiring. Security background checks are not very good - I have seen many convicted criminals with "security licenses" in the province. Those guys shouldn't be walking around with tasers ESPECIALLY when the majority of front-line Police that should have them still do not.

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby A.T.R. » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:20 am

I was creeping a FB account and an ex-mil guy had pics of him with a sidearm working for Intercon. Recent pics as of a few years ago.

The contract struck me as industrial, like a mine.
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Punisher-One » Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:02 am

A.T.R. wrote:I was creeping a FB account and an ex-mil guy had pics of him with a sidearm working for Intercon. Recent pics as of a few years ago.

The contract struck me as industrial, like a mine.


That is interesting.

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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Tony-Boogie » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:27 pm

A.T.R. wrote:I was creeping a FB account and an ex-mil guy had pics of him with a sidearm working for Intercon. Recent pics as of a few years ago.

The contract struck me as industrial, like a mine.


What do security agents working the diamond mines in northern Alberta have for equipment/weapons systems? Just one example of what some might consider "high profile private".
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby mack_silent » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:55 am

A.T.R. wrote:I was creeping a FB account and an ex-mil guy had pics of him with a sidearm working for Intercon. Recent pics as of a few years ago.

The contract struck me as industrial, like a mine.


Intercon used to have a CRG gun team that did money escorts. (TTC token machine replenishments)
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Re: Do LEOs value Security personel?

Postby Respond Wayne » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:12 pm

mack_silent wrote:
A.T.R. wrote:I was creeping a FB account and an ex-mil guy had pics of him with a sidearm working for Intercon. Recent pics as of a few years ago.

The contract struck me as industrial, like a mine.


Intercon used to have a CRG gun team that did money escorts. (TTC token machine replenishments)


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