Toronto a “sanctuary city" for underground migrants?

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Toronto a “sanctuary city" for underground migrants?

Postby To a T » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:19 am

Maria didn’t go to police after her Canadian husband beat her up. When the food bank staff asked for her ID, she just left. And when she was owed $1,600 in back wages for two months’ work as a cleaner, she could do nothing but bite her lip.

“I’m denied access for help and services because I don’t have any immigration paper,” explained the Toronto resident, who came here from Mexico City in 2000 and has lived an undocumented life ever since.

“It’s not only affecting my life — because of my (lack of) status, my daughter is not getting the support, even though she was born in Canada. Better access to services means better quality of life for her.”

Maria, who asked that her full name not be used for fear of being pursued by immigration enforcement officers, is among Greater Toronto’s estimated 200,000 undocumented migrants: visitors who have overstayed their visas, or failed refugee claimants dodging deportation.

Anticipating a surge in the region’s undocumented population in 2015 — when many legal but temporary foreign workers will see their four-year work permits expire under a new law and potentially move “underground” — Toronto City Council is set to vote on an “access without fear” motion Wednesday or Thursday.

The city’s community development and recreation committee has come up with a plan to transform Toronto into a “sanctuary city,” similar to San Francisco and other U.S. cities that have passed laws ensuring that non-status residents can turn to city services without fear that they’ll be turned in for detention or deportation.

The motion calls for training for front-line staff and managers to ensure that undocumented residents won’t be asked about their immigration status when accessing services — calling police in an emergency, for example — and establishing a complaints protocol and public education strategy to inform Torontonians of the policy.

“The undocumented live here, work here and pay taxes here. They are part of the community. They also need services and support. Government services should not be tied to immigration status,” said Karin Baqi of the Solidarity City Network, an umbrella group behind the campaign.

“They are the backbone of our economy. They take care of our kids, clean our offices and build houses.”

The motion doesn’t suggest that the new policy would contain any benefits for city government, only for the undocumented residents themselves. Maria, who makes a meager income as a cleaner, said her daughter could at least have had more nutritious food from the food bank than steamed rice and potatoes, if the local food bank hadn’t asked her for documents proving her status as a resident.

“I make very little money from my job. Any support I can get will help,” said Maria, who is in her 30s.

George Williams came to Toronto as a visitor from St. Vincent in 2007 and lived under the radar until 2010, when he lost his under-the-table job at a popsicle factory and became homeless.

Despondent, Williams decided to risk being reported to immigration officials and walked into the Maxwell Meighen homeless shelter for help.

“I was brave enough to go in,” recalled Williams, 58. “Fortunately, they didn’t ask for my immigration paper.”

When shelter staff later found out he fled to Canada to avoid persecution as a gay man, they gave him encouragement and helped him file a refugee claim, which was accepted in 2010.

“It’s really important for people to have a place to go to where they are not afraid to ask for help and support,” said Williams, who became a permanent resident last year.

http://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2013/02/18/toronto_considers_giving_underground_migrants_access_to_services_without_fear.html

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Re: Toronto a “sanctuary city" for underground migrants?

Postby 48highlander » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:38 am

Sneaky hiding the link for the star at the bottom. I was like hmmm. the way this is worded gotta be the star.

What drivel, especially this part

“The undocumented live here, work here and pay taxes here. They are part of the community. They also need services and support. Government services should not be tied to immigration status,” said Karin Baqi of the Solidarity City Network, an umbrella group behind the campaign"

Right...and how do you pay income tax, EI, CPP etc. as an illegal immigrant working under the table exactly ???

I doubt this is an initiative led Ford. City of Toronto considering?? What a misleading title, when reality is motion put forward by some lib/left councillors for council to consider.

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Postby GPZ » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:43 pm

Are you fcking kidding me?? People in the country illegally should be eligible for government services?? Where do these idiots come up with their ideas? If you have ANY sort of legal immigration status you get government services including welfare and health care. If you are hiding out because you are here ILLEGALLY, any day you aren't in handcuffs is a good day.

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Postby smarmy_rebel » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:53 pm

I suggest Maria go back to Mexico and apply for welfare there if she is really that concerned about her daughter.

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Postby Shawshank » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:02 pm

48highlander wrote:
Right...and how do you pay income tax, EI, CPP etc. as an illegal immigrant working under the table exactly ???
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I've wondered this myself. Many news articles similar to this have mentioned that they pay taxes. How and how is it held accountable to paying the correct amount.
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Postby meathead1 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:57 pm

To a T wrote:Maria didn’t go to police after her Canadian husband beat her up. When the food bank staff asked for her ID, she just left. And when she was owed $1,600 in back wages for two months’ work as a cleaner, she could do nothing but bite her lip.

“I’m denied access for help and services because I don’t have any immigration paper,” explained the Toronto resident, who came here from Mexico City in 2000 and has lived an undocumented life ever since.

“It’s not only affecting my life — because of my (lack of) status, my daughter is not getting the support, even though she was born in Canada. Better access to services means better quality of life for her.”


Awwwwww....isn't that too bad. Go back to Mexico, apply the way you should have to begin with, and do it all legally. You get no sympathy from me. My taxes shouldn't be paying for your illegal ass.
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Postby 48highlander » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:37 pm

Shawshank wrote:
48highlander wrote:
Right...and how do you pay income tax, EI, CPP etc. as an illegal immigrant working under the table exactly ???
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I've wondered this myself. Many news articles similar to this have mentioned that they pay taxes. How and how is it held accountable to paying the correct amount.


The only taxes they pay are sales taxes on goods since you have no choice on that matter, so the comment is technically correct, but deceitful since most people equate taxes to = income tax.

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Postby Columbo » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:05 pm

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Re: Toronto a “sanctuary city" for underground migrants?

Postby gotchya » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:58 pm

It seems unCanadian that we would encourage people to flaunt our laws. Merely because Maria doesn't want to go back does not mean she should not abide by the law. If that were the case could every Canadian simply refuse to pay taxes because they do not want to.

If and when, Maria gets caught there will be countless resources used to effect her removal. In the meantime, there are hundreds of thousands of legal migrants awaiting a determination at visa post. It seems unCanadian that people like Maria should profit from their illegal acts.

As for paying taxes,as others have stated, Maria how are you paying taxes with no SIN?
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Postby Homer » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:16 pm

Agree 100%.
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Re: Toronto a “sanctuary city" for underground migrants?

Postby Punisher-One » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:44 am

Holy left-wing.
Illegal workers certainly DON'T pay any taxes here.
You want access to services and welfare that us hard-working, tax-paying, LEGAL Canadians pay for....come here legally through the process.

You broke our laws and took a job from someone else that is legally entitled to work here who applied and did the right thing....the only thing you are entitled to is a trip back to Mexico....which in my opinion YOU should pay for our of your illegal wages.


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