Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Stinger » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:11 am

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Guards » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:54 pm

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Consider emergency responders who may be attempting to get to a call including an ambulance with a patient onboard suffering from a life threatening medical emergency or police assists which would be significantly delayed by an unexpected/unpredictable highway closure. Did this not cross your mind?


Did any of those things happen? They stopped traffic for a whole minute and then got on their way.
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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Alberta Blue » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:43 pm

Not really the point.

If you want to make a unique and romantic proposal find a way to do it that doesn't impact thousands of other people in a negative way, even if it is just for a minute.

This is the problem with the "me first" attitude that a lot of people have these days - people do what they want and don't consider (or don't care) that their choices have reprocussions for others.

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Guards » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:05 pm

Alberta Blue wrote:Not really the point.

If you want to make a unique and romantic proposal find a way to do it that doesn't impact thousands of other people in a negative way, even if it is just for a minute.

This is the problem with the "me first" attitude that a lot of people have these days - people do what they want and don't consider (or don't care) that their choices have reprocussions for others.


It is the point.

I'll give up a minute for someone's unique proposal....just like I'll give up a minute for funeral processions, parades, protests, marathons, races, etc that occur on various roadways and public places.

I don't think this situation would merit the state highway patrol to "throw the book at them".
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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby scairns » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:17 pm

Guards wrote:I'll give up a minute for someone's unique proposal....just like I'll give up a minute for funeral processions, parades, protests, marathons, races, etc that occur on various roadways and public places.


All the other things you have listed would be subject to pre-planning and approval from the city/police/MOT to ensure that it is done in a safe manner...

Personally I think that this was extremely reckless.. It only takes one inattentive driver to not notice traffic coming to a dead stop to cause a 30 car pile-up.. This event was probably also very distracting to traffic headed the other directions, and again could have caused an accident.

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Guards » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:49 pm

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Guards wrote:I'll give up a minute for someone's unique proposal....just like I'll give up a minute for funeral processions, parades, protests, marathons, races, etc that occur on various roadways and public places.


All the other things you have listed would be subject to pre-planning and approval from the city/police/MOT to ensure that it is done in a safe manner...

Personally I think that this was extremely reckless.. It only takes one inattentive driver to not notice traffic coming to a dead stop to cause a 30 car pile-up.. This event was probably also very distracting to traffic headed the other directions, and again could have caused an accident.


Funerals don't require permits for a procession in most cities FYI......neither do protests. Anything can be deemed a distraction. Are you gonna ban airplanes flying overheard with banners, large builboards, and the crazy inflatable tube man I pass on my way to work in the mornings too?

My point is that nothing terrible happened (that I've been made aware of), nobody got hurt, I didn't see any emergency vehicles get held up, and I am unaware of anything more than a few minute delay being imposed on the general public.

Would the enforcement action of "throwing the book at them" be appropriate? You're going to alienate 400 members of your community where you police for a traffic ticket? Suffer the negative media attention and possibly alienate any future cooperation with police from 300-400 people? Seriously?

Not in my books.....but what would I know about it :ponder: :roll:

Think of the big picture brother. There are ways to address the safety issues presented and still maintain good relations with the community. I don't think any of them include throwing any books.
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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Guards » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:01 pm

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Guards wrote:
Alberta Blue wrote:Not really the point.

If you want to make a unique and romantic proposal find a way to do it that doesn't impact thousands of other people in a negative way, even if it is just for a minute.

This is the problem with the "me first" attitude that a lot of people have these days - people do what they want and don't consider (or don't care) that their choices have reprocussions for others.


It is the point.

I'll give up a minute for someone's unique proposal....just like I'll give up a minute for funeral processions, parades, protests, marathons, races, etc that occur on various roadways and public places.

I don't think this situation would merit the state highway patrol to "throw the book at them".


It's quite apparent by your remarks that you've never been in a position where you are responding to an emergency where people depend on your presence for help - seconds count, pardon the cliché - and in no way could any emergency vehicle have made it through the traffic jam which was caused by this stunt. If I had a loved one of family member delayed in an emergency from getting to a hospital or I couldn't reach a colleague radioing for assistance - all because dude wants to blow pink smoke and get down on one knee and impress his pals doesn't cut it with me. This could have been carried out at a more appropriate location where lives aren't endangered as another poster mentioned while delaying thousands of motorists. Although you may be fine with these risks, you would also assume responsibility if any deaths or injuries occurred as a result.



You're kidding right? Almost a decade as a police officer might give me a little insight and the ability to comment on the matter. Are you even a cop?
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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby Guards » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:21 pm

To a T wrote:Without going around in circles with you and banging my head off the wall, I will ask you this...Does an airplane delay thousands of motorists? Does the crazy inflatable tube man step out into traffic and block the road? Funeral processions are not stationary and in larger cities require police escorts and emergency responders are made aware should there be any delays or traffic issues caused by the procession or protesters for that matter. Shutting down a major expressway at a moment's notice for a wedding proposal won't fly. I'm not sure what your angle is, but comparing tube men and funerals to this is like comparing apples to oranges. Alienate members of the community with traffic tickets? How many traffic tickets do you think are issued daily in major cities? A lot more than 400. Issuing traffic tickets to some of those involved in the highway closure would at least make them think twice before doing this next time. Although traffic tickets are the least of the worries for some pictured in the clip. Seems like the CHP are also looking at criminal charges. I'm sorry in advance if that alienates you. :roll:


Your version of policing and mine are two completely different things. We wouldn't do well in a squad car together. We're gonna have to agree to disagree.

Back to my police only corner of the forum. Later skater.
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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

Postby basketcase » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:38 pm

To a T wrote:Without going around in circles with you and banging my head off the wall, I will ask you this...Does an airplane delay thousands of motorists? Does the crazy inflatable tube man step out into traffic and block the road? Funeral processions are not stationary and in larger cities require police escorts and emergency responders are made aware should there be any delays or traffic issues caused by the procession or protesters for that matter. Shutting down a major expressway at a moment's notice for a wedding proposal won't fly. I'm not sure what your angle is, but comparing tube men and funerals to this is like comparing apples to oranges. Alienate members of the community with traffic tickets? How many traffic tickets do you think are issued daily in major cities? A lot more than 400. Issuing traffic tickets to some of those involved in the highway closure would at least make them think twice before doing this next time. Although traffic tickets are the least of the worries for some pictured in the clip. Seems like the CHP are also looking at criminal charges. I'm sorry in advance if that alienates you. :roll:


Meh. I guess that's the difference between most police officers and some special constables in the projects. We don't have to use enforcement to justify our existence. We can educate people about the dangers without ruining their special moment that didn't affect anybody other than to slow down their commute. Can do it all year long and still not be questioned about why you're there.
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Re: Wedding proposal shuts down LA Highway

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