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Gregson trial starts today

Postby Zybero » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:41 am

Wasn't sure how many people were aware that this started today, I know I thought it was still a couple months away.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Trial ... story.html

I hope that justice is served here and I hope that the Czapniks will be ok throughout this tough time.

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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:49 pm

With out a doubt, he will be found guilty.

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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Rubicon » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:10 am

The most disturbing part of this is that he has NCR written all over him. Has the potential for another brother lost because some lunatic can get that pass. He had no business being a member in the first place. It's a shame that that umbrella precedes him because he is nothing more than a common FPS'er.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:26 am

Rubicon wrote:The most disturbing part of this is that he has NCR written all over him.
Has the potential for another brother lost because some lunatic can get that pass. He had no business being a member in the first place. It's a shame that that umbrella precedes him because he is nothing more than a common FPS'er.


No he doesn't. He was found fit to stand trial hence why the trial is proceeding.

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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby tbell33 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:52 am

Bald Man wrote:
Rubicon wrote:The most disturbing part of this is that he has NCR written all over him.
Has the potential for another brother lost because some lunatic can get that pass. He had no business being a member in the first place. It's a shame that that umbrella precedes him because he is nothing more than a common FPS'er.


No he doesn't. He was found fit to stand trial hence why the trial is proceeding.


I hope he is found guilty!
Good thing he is fit to stand trial or there would be the really good chance (after assessment) that he would serve a shorter sentence in a Secure Forensic Unit at a provincial hospital.

Thoughts & Prayers to Cst. Eric Czapnik's Family, Hopefully this will bring them some form of peace!
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bairdo » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:43 am

Bald Man wrote:
Rubicon wrote:The most disturbing part of this is that he has NCR written all over him.
Has the potential for another brother lost because some lunatic can get that pass. He had no business being a member in the first place. It's a shame that that umbrella precedes him because he is nothing more than a common FPS'er.


No he doesn't. He was found fit to stand trial hence why the trial is proceeding.

Just because he has been found fit to stand trial doesn't mean he can't be found NCR. NCR is how he was at the time of the incident, not during trial. Vince Li is a perfect example of this.

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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:06 pm

That's incorrect. An accused has to be found NCR by a Doctor, not a judge. This happens long before trial. The report came back fit to stand trial, some minor personality disorders like many people have in society, but no medical conditions that would make him NCR. This is why trial is proceeding. Vince Li, If I recall correctly, was found NRC and sentenced indefinitely to a psychiatric hospital. He never had a criminal trial because he was NCR. NCR stands for Not Criminally Responsible. SO if you are NCR you can not be found guilty of a criminal offence. There would have been an NCR hearing and evidence from the doctor. Crowns,Judges and defense will go along with these findings unless the crown can call a doctor who gives a different opinion. These are completely different circumstances and can not be compared. Defence admitted most of the evidence today in court including the killing of Cst.Czapnik.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby gotchya » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:09 pm

It doesn't matter the evidence, you think that some judge may accept it? I've seen some judges make adduce some pretty wacky conclusions based on evidence which was for the large part ambiguous.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:11 pm

Again, if defense has another assessment performed by another doctor, then this would be called at trial by the defense.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:13 pm

gotchya wrote:
Bald Man wrote:Defence admitted most of the evidence today in court including the killing of Cst.Czapnik. I know because I've escorted Gregson since day 1 of his arrest. Now Gregson did have brain surgery some time ago to relieve pressure, but it's nothing that would prevent him from be aware of his actions. His lawyer will likely suggest to the jury that this is what caused him to do what he did, but again no medical evidence will support this. He's essentially in good health otherwise.

I agree, however, even if there is no medical evidence to support it, you think that some judge may accept it? I've seen some judges make adduce some pretty wacky conclusions based on evidence which was for the large part ambiguous.


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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby gotchya » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:26 pm

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to fry, I'm just scared some judge is going to make a wacky conclusion.

I mean if he jets Molly J, she may decide that a minimum life sentence for 1st degree murder is unconstitutional.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:35 pm

gotchya wrote:
Bald Man wrote:He was caught killing the constable by paramedics and admitted to it. His police video interview will be going in as evidence. His finished


I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to fry, I'm just scared some judge is going to make a wacky conclusion.

I mean if he jets Molly J, she may decide that a minimum life sentence for 1st degree murder is unconstitutional.


No, there's a very good Superior court judge on the trial ,Justice Rutherford. BTW, murder trials are judge and jury. It is legislated under the criminal code that murder charges shall be tried by judge and jury.

So the jurors are the triers of fact and will decide on the evidence if Gregson is guilty.

When a peace officer is murdered while in the execution of their duties it's automatic 1st degree murder which carries a life sentence with parole eligibility after 25 years.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby Bald Man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:37 pm

gotchya wrote:
Bald Man wrote:He was caught killing the constable by paramedics and admitted to it. His police video interview will be going in as evidence. His finished


I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to fry, I'm just scared some judge is going to make a wacky conclusion.

I mean if he jets Molly J, she may decide that a minimum life sentence for 1st degree murder is unconstitutional.



That will be appealed and hopefully overturned. :cuss:

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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby plorentz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:43 pm

hope he rots in hell.
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Re: Gregson trial starts today

Postby recceguy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:30 pm

Maybe I just missed it when this was in the news. But did it ever say WHY he did what he did?
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