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Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby A.T.R. » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:39 pm

I keep seeing these guys on the road, however not had any contact, but a co-worker of mine did last nite and the guy id'd himself with a "Stokes" purchased badge.

On the badge was "Ontario" and the seal/coat-or-arms of Ontario in the middle. We have recently been told that this is a trade mark infringement and the badge was seized pending investigation.

Any info or direction on this sort of thing.

I know they are basically "Repo" people, but the wearing of a badge on a chain around your neck is kind of retarded if you are not LEO.

This was a private Bailiff, not a Toronto Sherrif, or a government employee in any way. This has been one private sector job that hs pissed me off.
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Postby pukie » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:42 pm

TorontoCopper wrote:the guy id'd himself with a "Stokes" purchased badge.



Sorry, what is that?

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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby No 20 Year Medal » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:15 pm

Stokes Cap And Regalia, manufacturers of badges, forage caps, etc...

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TorontoCopper wrote:but the wearing of a badge on a chain around your neck is kind of retarded if you are not LEO.
Kinda like Dog the Bounty Hunter???
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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby Apollo » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:00 pm

TorontoCopper wrote:I keep seeing these guys on the road, however not had any contact, but a co-worker of mine did last nite and the guy id'd himself with a "Stokes" purchased badge.

On the badge was "Ontario" and the seal/coat-or-arms of Ontario in the middle. We have recently been told that this is a trade mark infringement and the badge was seized pending investigation.

Any info or direction on this sort of thing.

I know they are basically "Repo" people, but the wearing of a badge on a chain around your neck is kind of retarded if you are not LEO.

This was a private Bailiff, not a Toronto Sherrif, or a government employee in any way. This has been one private sector job that hs pissed me off.


I'm happy you guys are catching these guys. Companies like Stokes allows anyone off the street to buy a tin.

The only "real" - government law enforcement bailiffs are the Provincial Bailiffs who work for the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Service-Corrections Services. They transport inmates between provincial jails.

They are issued a real Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Service-Corrections Services badge, the exact same as Correctional Officers are issued:

http://www.canadiancorrections.com/corr ... 0badge.jpg

Here are their patches:

http://www.correctional-patches.com/can ... ailiff.jpg

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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby Apollo » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:01 pm

No 20 Year Medal wrote:Stokes Cap And Regalia, manufacturers of badges, forage caps, etc...

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TorontoCopper wrote:but the wearing of a badge on a chain around your neck is kind of retarded if you are not LEO.
Kinda like Dog the Bounty Hunter???


Wow, that badge looks pretty real to me!

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Postby Parking159 » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:16 pm

TorontoCopper wrote:I keep seeing these guys on the road, however not had any contact, but a co-worker of mine did last nite and the guy id'd himself with a "Stokes" purchased badge.

On the badge was "Ontario" and the seal/coat-or-arms of Ontario in the middle. We have recently been told that this is a trade mark infringement and the badge was seized pending investigation.

Any info or direction on this sort of thing.

I know they are basically "Repo" people, but the wearing of a badge on a chain around your neck is kind of retarded if you are not LEO.

This was a private Bailiff, not a Toronto Sherrif, or a government employee in any way. This has been one private sector job that hs pissed me off.

When I was an insurance investigator my company used to take on the occasional skip tracing job for a car dealership whose owner was friends with my boss. We would locate the vehicle to be repossessed and tell the bailiffs where to find it. I always saw those guys in a security guard type uniform with body armour but I never saw a badge. I took a look at the Bailiff Act but it doesn't say anything about badges one way or the other.
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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby RemingtonSteel » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:31 pm

that badge looks extremely authentic, I can imagine someone confusing it with someone who is a peace officer of some sort, although I guess as long as they don't sell themselves off as more then they are and only do their job then I don't really have a huge problem with it.

Kinda like Dog the Bounty Hunter???


oh yea, just had to go there didnt cha :smirk: now lets wait for CO, he's the one who loves dog.
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Postby Parking159 » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:54 pm

MikeR wrote:that badge looks extremely authentic, I can imagine someone confusing it with someone who is a peace officer of some sort, although I guess as long as they don't sell themselves off as more then they are and only do their job then I don't really have a huge problem with it.

That's the problem. The bailiff was not a peace officer but he was showing a universally recognized symbol of official authority. I have to wonder if he says anything to discourage that impression when he flashes the badge for persons not used to seeing them?
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Postby A.T.R. » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:19 pm

he was showing a universally recognized symbol of official authority.


Thats what we felt and that it is a breach of the provincial Trademark.

We are going to make a project of this company and see where it goes.
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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby No 20 Year Medal » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:26 pm

Apollo wrote:Image

Wow, that badge looks pretty real to me!
Just to clarify, I don't know if that's the actual badge TorontoCopper's co-worker saw and seized, I just grabbed the image from Stoke's website to illustrate some of the tins they sell. If that's the one, it wouldn't take much to engrave whatever wording you would want on it.
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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby RemingtonSteel » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:36 pm

he was showing a universally recognized symbol of official authority.
Thats what we felt and that it is a breach of the provincial Trademark.

We are going to make a project of this company and see where it goes.


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Re: Need info on "Private or Contract" Bailiffs in Ontario

Postby T.M.DIESEL » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:38 pm

There are a few of these companies still around, some would provide prisoner escorts of phase 1's and some would be like the repo man. You will mostly see them operating in larger centres like the GTA and do have some interesting equipment and vehicles.

Just to clarify, there are essentially two Bailiffs OPP and Community Safety. The Provicial Baliff for Comm. Safety do most of the transfers between Institutions in Ontario and some to court when the OPP does not have the contract or it is not their responsibility. OPP Baliff's of Prisoner Transport Officers, transport mostly between the Institutions and courts.

Now for the other side of things, these companies also do jobs similar to the Ontario Sheriff's who work for the AG so it depends on what they are up to at the time.

And copyright infringement is an interesting angle, let me know how it turns out.
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Postby A.T.R. » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:43 pm

The badge was VERY similar to that.

I know it was from Stokes since thats where I got my jail badge before they issued them.

On a recent Provincial Stats course, they spoke of the trademark infringement, especially now with the move to the newer security guard act, and the marking of boundaries for private companies separate from offical LEO's.
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Postby T.M.DIESEL » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:46 pm

TorontoCopper wrote:The badge was VERY similar to that.

I know it was from Stokes since thats where I got my jail badge before they issued them.

On a recent Provincial Stats course, they spoke of the trademark infringement, especially now with the move to the newer security guard act, and the marking of boundaries for private companies separate from offical LEO's.


Not an expert in the new Security Guards Act so not sure how it applies but hope there is a section as it does not seem right.
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