Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby th » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:14 am

Lexis85 wrote:In my Young Driver's course, we were always taught to go with the flow of traffic, as long as we were not the last vehicles in that bunch. If we did not have someone behind us, then we had to go the speed limit. Not exactly legal, but it's safe anyways. I hate driving on the highway and some retard is hogging the left lane going 90, when typically, driving towards Vancouver, everyone's going between 120-140. My little shitbox can't go that fast so I'm somewhere between 105 and 110. Those little signs that were put up obviously don't work, and previously working at WalMart I have learned that nobody reads signs anyways.

My dear girl, pray tell where in Vancouver the normal flow of traffic is 120-40. There is only one bloody freeway in the town and the I don't think I ever gone over 120 (even heading home at 3:00am) on the near side of Surrey. Even as far out as the Wack the traffic isn't going 120-140.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby Lexis85 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:28 am

are you insane? I just went into Vancouver on Friday and everyone was passing us doing at least 120-140. People usually start to go insane speeds at around McCallum.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby th » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:41 am

Lexis85 wrote:are you insane? I just went into Vancouver on Friday and everyone was passing us doing at least 120-140. People usually start to go insane speeds at around McCallum.

It seems that my lived experience of Hwy 1 differs from yours.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby Lexis85 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:48 am

I'm guessing so, because I've had people come up super fast on my ass going about 120-130, then before I have a chance to change lanes to the right lane, they whiz past me, cut me off, speed up to the next person in line then slam on their brakes. Precisely why I very rarely go out of town and when I do, I use the back roads as long as I can now (unless someone else is driving, which is what was going on Friday)
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby th » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:02 pm

Lexis85 wrote:I'm guessing so, because I've had people come up super fast on my ass going about 120-130, then before I have a chance to change lanes to the right lane, they whiz past me, cut me off, speed up to the next person in line then slam on their brakes. Precisely why I very rarely go out of town and when I do, I use the back roads as long as I can now (unless someone else is driving, which is what was going on Friday)

Ahh, you're changing your story. In this version everyone is going less than 120 with a few people blasting along at 120-130. In your initial post you said that everyone drives at 120-140. Yes there are some people who drive incredibly fast as they get out into the valley. The Chilliwack Traffic Section does a pretty good business with them.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby Lexis85 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:16 pm

What? I'm usually doing between 105 and 110 so as to not try and piss people off. Other people are doing about 120-130 going past me. There are some stooges going along at 90. Yeah CTS is pretty good, they have a lot of speed traps going on which is always a good thing. Highway enforcement has been stepped up as well, from what I notice. My sister-in-law's friend, "Essence of Elvis" Jeff Bodner used to be a CTS cop before he got transferred to hwy. Ever seen that guy perform? He's awesome.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby CourtOfficer » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:58 pm

Whenever you see someone racing in and out of traffic, passing people, back and forth lanes, etc... nine times out of ten, when you get where you're going, there they are right next to you at the first stop light!

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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby Lexis85 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:26 pm

Haha, yeah I love it when that happens, then the person that was doing that is usually mouthing "shit, shit, shit!!" or when you see someone do that on the highway and then a little ways up you see them pulled over by a cop. Now THAT is funny.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby metallicat » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:49 pm

Flagstaff wrote:Use of Highways and Rules of the Road Regulation

Driving at appropriate speed

2(1) A person shall not do any of the following:

(a) notwithstanding that a speed limit is prescribed by or pursuant to the Act or any other Act in respect of a highway, drive a vehicle on that highway at any rate of speed that is unreasonable having regard to all the circumstances, including without restricting the generality of the foregoing, the following:

(i) the nature, condition and use of the highway;

(ii) the atmospheric, weather or other conditions that might affect the visibility of the driver or the control of the vehicle;

(iii) the amount of traffic that is or that might reasonably be expected to be on the highway;

(iv) the mechanical condition of the vehicle or any equipment on the vehicle;

(b) subject to this Part and Part 2, where a highway that is located outside an urban area has 2 or more traffic lanes on the same side of the centre line for use by vehicles travelling in the same direction, drive a vehicle in the traffic lane nearest the centre line unless the vehicle is being driven at or near the maximum speed permitted;

(c) drive a vehicle at such a slow rate of speed so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic then existing on a highway except when it is necessary to do so for the safe operation of the vehicle or to comply with Parts 1 and 2.

(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1)(b), a person driving a vehicle on a highway at a speed that is below the maximum speed limit that is established or prescribed for that highway may drive the vehicle in the traffic lane nearest to the centre line for the purpose of overtaking and passing another vehicle.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. So in layman's terms, you can essentially drive in the left most lane as long as you are going the speed limit? The problems seem begin if you start to impede traffic at that speed, which really shouldn't be happening if you are going the speed limit.

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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby CourtOfficer » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:12 pm

The problems seem begin if you start to impede traffic at that speed, which really shouldn't be happening if you are going the speed limit.


Maybe you're driving on Mars. I don't know... I'm not a doctor. However, I think on most highways in Canada, if you're driving the speed limit in the left lane, you'd almost surely be impeding traffic and it's rather discourteous.

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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby metallicat » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:08 pm

CourtOfficer wrote:
The problems seem begin if you start to impede traffic at that speed, which really shouldn't be happening if you are going the speed limit.


Maybe you're driving on Mars. I don't know... I'm not a doctor. However, I think on most highways in Canada, if you're driving the speed limit in the left lane, you'd almost surely be impeding traffic and it's rather discourteous.

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I understand, I was just looking for the actual letter of the law, not what is realistic. I agree with what you say.

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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby NightHawk » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:49 am

th wrote:
Lexis85 wrote:In my Young Driver's course, we were always taught to go with the flow of traffic, as long as we were not the last vehicles in that bunch. If we did not have someone behind us, then we had to go the speed limit. Not exactly legal, but it's safe anyways. I hate driving on the highway and some retard is hogging the left lane going 90, when typically, driving towards Vancouver, everyone's going between 120-140. My little shitbox can't go that fast so I'm somewhere between 105 and 110. Those little signs that were put up obviously don't work, and previously working at WalMart I have learned that nobody reads signs anyways.

My dear girl, pray tell where in Vancouver the normal flow of traffic is 120-40. There is only one bloody freeway in the town and the I don't think I ever gone over 120 (even heading home at 3:00am) on the near side of Surrey. Even as far out as the Wack the traffic isn't going 120-140.


What are you talking about?.....beyond the port mann east bound it turns into the indy 500. Though speeds of 120-140 is very common it is the suicidal lane changes that some idiot drivers make that have me shaking my head.

**Edit** Okay...well I should maybe read a little closer before making a retort. Normal flow is definately not 140. 120 in the fast lane for sure. But as I drive home to abby from Vancouver I am passed by many drivers in that 120-140 range.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby mostlyharmless » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:29 am

metallicat wrote:In Canada, or specifically Alberta, are there laws regarding the left most lane of a highway? Is one legally allowed to drive exactly at the speed limit in that lane (when not passing)? Or, if you are doing that, and traffic is building up behind you, are you in violation of impeding traffic laws?

metallicat wrote:Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. So in layman's terms, you can essentially drive in the left most lane as long as you are going the speed limit? The problems seem begin if you start to impede traffic at that speed, which really shouldn't be happening if you are going the speed limit.

This sounds like you're fishing for an excuse to provide your own personal traffic enforcement. If your looking to show Alberta drivers how well you know traffic law, I guarantee you'll discover another pesky driving annoyance; Alberta 3/4 ton road rage.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby Boxer Dogs » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:44 am

I was on my way to work last night and I saw the Intergrated Road Safety Unit doing traffic stops all along Hwy 1 last night. One guy passed me driving at maybe 120. I saw him stopped about 10 mins later.
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Re: Speed limits, passing lanes, impeding traffic

Postby metallicat » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:37 am

mostlyharmless wrote:
metallicat wrote:In Canada, or specifically Alberta, are there laws regarding the left most lane of a highway? Is one legally allowed to drive exactly at the speed limit in that lane (when not passing)? Or, if you are doing that, and traffic is building up behind you, are you in violation of impeding traffic laws?

metallicat wrote:Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. So in layman's terms, you can essentially drive in the left most lane as long as you are going the speed limit? The problems seem begin if you start to impede traffic at that speed, which really shouldn't be happening if you are going the speed limit.

This sounds like you're fishing for an excuse to provide your own personal traffic enforcement. If your looking to show Alberta drivers how well you know traffic law, I guarantee you'll discover another pesky driving annoyance; Alberta 3/4 ton road rage.
It has nothing to do with that at all. As I said, there was a discussion on another forum, so I came here to the experts. If I was trying to prove my knowledge, I certainly wouldn't be asking questions.


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