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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby SPC » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:47 pm

bigshotceo wrote:
Keep in mind that's only the first year's pay, when their officers would be equivalent to Canada's 4th or 3rd class constables. My guess (at least in the case of Patterson) most of their officers aren't making $10.60 an hour after three or four years.


Still...10.60 an hour for any amount of time is ridiculous...especially for a LEO job.
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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby 48highlander » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:49 pm

48highlander wrote:You don't have to look hard in the city of Toronto, start with all the Managers/Directors/Senior whatevers making over $100K, of such programs like needle exchange, support and outreach etc. Never mind that the city is blowing larges wads of cash on these ridiculus enabling programs (needle exchange, safe crack kits, make your own wine) the fact they have SEVERAL people topping $100k to run these programs is even more wasteful and ridiculus. Or By-law officers who make $30hr to START, Seasonal Summer employees for Parks and Rec making 17-19/hr (or more). I don't like to begrudge people an good pay, but when I see groups of city employees (lots of people at the Zoo, come to mind) moan and whine they aren't paid enough, for the job they do, I get sick to my stomach thinking of the hundreds (possibly thousands) of workers in the private sector (my own parents come to mind), working similar if not the exact same jobs, without the job security, benefits, and wages.


It is true that there are may people overpaid from an outsider's perspective. People outside the law enforcement field might think why are we paying police officers so much to eat donuts all day? Why does it take so long for them to respond to a break and enter call when we pay them so much a year? Why are we still have gun problems if we are paying them so much? Why would someone think police officers are overpaid for the job they do? Heres one of the reasons why it might happen...

dusty wrote:You're dreaming if you think I'd do the job I do for security guard wages (15/hr). If you get hired someday you'll understand why (accountability, risk, workload, to name a few). Once you get a little older, and maybe experience police work, you'll realize that the idealistic approach of doing the job just for the love, regardless of pay, is not reality. It's easy to think that way when you're single in your 20's, but its a whole different ballgame when you have a family, and you don't see them as much as mon-fri workers due to shift work. It may be that certain city employees make more than their private sector countreparts, however, I think you're way offside suggesting police in Toronto are overpaid, or that police pay reductions are a good way for the city to save money. You might have good intentions, but you clearly have a lot to learn about the job you hope to do someday. I'd strongly suggest going out on a few ridealongs.


Just like how we think that by-laws and seasonal summer employees make so much. When we get sick seeing other people moan and whine when they aren't getting paid enough, other groups might be experiencing the same feelings towards police officers asking for higher pay or sustaining what they have now because they feel they are being underpaid as it is. It takes a long time on the job like policing to develop a sense of how the job really is in order to evaluate how much is worth it.



I don't know what your getting at, as I don't think police are overpaid. I do however think there are numerous examples of people getting overpaid for the work they do in the city of Toronto, when compared to the private sector.

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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby HwyBear » Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:44 pm

I'll guess of jobs that are overpaid....jobs where they
- do not work weekends, holidays or nights

or sports, entertainers
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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby T.M.DIESEL » Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:56 pm

HwyBear wrote:I'll guess of jobs that are overpaid....jobs where they
- do not work weekends, holidays or nights


or sports, entertainers


Hey I fall into that catagory, good thing I am not overpaid but rather underpaid. :P
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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby SPC » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:40 pm

T.M.DIESEL wrote:
HwyBear wrote:I'll guess of jobs that are overpaid....jobs where they
- do not work weekends, holidays or nights


or sports, entertainers


Hey I fall into that catagory, good thing I am not overpaid but rather underpaid. :P


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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby Apollo » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:02 am

Same here.lol

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Postby dusty » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:44 am

I think police officers in Toronto are not being over or underpaid. Its hard work, but there are other jobs or departments out there where the pay is less and work comparable.


If you're talking about jobs working for the city of Toronto that are comparable please list them because with the exception of possibly EMS, I can't think of any I know of any that are. I come across city employees on a daily basis and, and damn near every one of them says how they're glad they don't have our job, and they aren't half as busy as we are. I'm not complaining about my job either, I just don't think you know much about city jobs. Also, for the record, nobody I've ever come across is stupid enough to think we sit around eating donuts all day, and thats one of the most ignorant comments I've seen in awhile.
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Postby dusty » Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:31 am

You'd be surprised. Try going for a ridealong and you'll see. Better yet, go to some city offices/departments and see what their work is like.
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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby HwyBear » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:57 am

Donut jokes don't bother me......actually gotta hand it to the ole' truckers that stop in when I'm there....and they start on with the comments, funnier thing is the look on their face when you talk back......"there are 2 cruisers here and how many transports are here?" :shock: they look to their buddies :oops: and walk away
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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby Z# » Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:06 am

Happened to stumble upon this story today.

Saskatchewan's government-owned liquor stores are paying 'bloated' salaries' and should be privatized, a taxpayers lobby group says.

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) said Wednesday that workers in the stores make far too much money for the job they're doing, warning that the public is paying the price.

If liquor stores were sold to private operators, the province's bottom line would improve and there'd be better prices and selection for customers, CTF Saskatchewan said.

The group said salaries for liquor store employees have jumped by 23 per cent since 2003. (However, the government said that figure is misleading because it's total salaries and reflects the fact liquor stores have expanded their hours.)

David MacLean, the Regina-based director of the CTF's Saskatchewan branch, said documents obtained through freedom of information requests show that currently, a liquor store manager can earn as much as $34.91 per hour.

That compares to the average hourly wage of a firefighter ($26.54 per hour in 2004) and police officers ($30.67 per hour in 2004), he said. "To us that's a disgrace, because you shouldn't be able to make more money running a liquor store than you can saving lives," MacLean told reporters.

MacLean said the people running the cash registers are overpaid, too, with customer service representatives currently making from $14.85 to $21.28 per hour. However, according to Statistics Canada, the average cashier in Saskatchewan was earning $10.24 two years ago.

"This is public money we're using to pay these employees their bloated salaries," MacLean said.

Government says comparison frustrating

The minister responsible for Saskatchewan's Liquor and Gaming Authority, Deb Higgins, said she finds the taxpayers association's comparisons frustrating. Everyone deserves to make a good salary, regardless of what they do, she said.

"Is mining somehow different than retail? Are grocery stores different than what liquor stores are? [Are] 7-Elevens and convenience stores different from what hospitals are? We all provide a service," she said.

The government has rejected the idea of privatizing liquor stores.

MLA Dan D'Autremont of the Opposition Saskatchewan Party said the governing NDP counts on union support and may have negotiated higher salaries for workers as a result.

However, the Saskatchewan Party wouldn't privatize liquor stores, either, D'Autremont said.


This in particular made my jaw drop:

""Is mining somehow different than retail? Are grocery stores different than what liquor stores are? [Are] 7-Elevens and convenience stores different from what hospitals are? We all provide a service," she said."

When's the last time an entire mountain collapsed on you while you were walking through the local Canadian Tire? Would you want a convenience store clerk starting your IV? This statement is ludicrous.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/s ... tores.html
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Re: T.O. Big Service Cuts Coming - Police officers included

Postby fox » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:36 am

Reading these negitive comments about policing in Toronto makes me wonder if I should even apply there.

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